Table of Contents for this issue:
LC475 Disk Tools disk? and various other responses
Re: cx/Mobius accelerators?
Re: Classic Mac Posts 11.14.2
Re: Classic Macs Posts 11.14.2
PB 170
SE/30 and RAM
IIcx and DOS Disks
Re: 68020 macs
Re: Old Mac Systems
Re: Classic Mac Posts 11.14.2
LCII memeory and accelerator
AOL on A Plus
Re: MAc Plus OS, Zip Question
Re: Mac Plus and Zip drive
Re: Classic Mac Posts 11.14.2
RE: Classic Mac Posts 11.14.2
Rockets
Re: a plus and a zip (and/or syquest) drive
Re: Upgrading my Mac SE

Say, would *you* like a friend for life?

I've got a real weird problem with an Apple-badged Quantum 170Mb drive; although I can backup and restore files on it until the cows come home, and it passes all sorts of diagnostics, even when tested on a PC, if I run a System installer - 7.1 or 7.5 - on it, the drive gets corrupted. The thing is, it USED to work fine, until I reformatted it with Silverlining one day.

The drive originally came in an LC475 (which I don't have, I'm using it in a Color Classic), and that's the machine it was originally formatted on of course. Does someone out there have a copy of the "Disk Tools" disk that came with the LC475 that you can image (with Disk Copy) and email to me? (Nothing else will do. I've tried Silverlining, and Drive Setup on my Performa 5200, and lots of different versions of Apple HD SC Setup).

Subject: Which version of the OS is best?
From: FEDWARD

Typically cannot easily install greater than 7.0 w/ 7-up on an SE due to the 800k drive limitation. Does anyone know of 7.0.1 or 7.1 on 800k disks?

There is no need to try to shoehorn it onto 800K disks. Provided you have _access_ to a Mac with a Superdrive, or you have some other way of getting the _files_ out of the disk images Apple posts on its ftp sites, all you need to do is create one folder for each disk (which must all reside in the one sub-folder, or on the desktop), each named with the name of the disk whose files it contains.

Subject: Upgrading my Mac SE
From: Christopher Currie

1) How can I tell if my memory is fast enough to support an SE/30?

Consult GURU or the Apple Memory Guide. (tappity tappity tappity) OK, I don't have AMG handy, but GURU says Newer ships 70ns memories. I think this is probably just because that's what they stock. I know the SE/30 will run with 80ns RAM, probably 100ns also.

As an aside, can anyone tell me what an analog board is, and what is does?

The analog board, in the SE and SE/30 (and several other compact Macs) is a PCB mounted vertically in the casing, along one side. It has the power supply circuitry and the various components which drive the CRT. Essentially, it's the board that would be inside the monitor of a separate-bits-type Mac,

Subject: Re: StyleWriter 2500 on 68000 Mac
From: Tom Hawkins
I doubt CPD would work; it's good for Epson and similar dot-matrix printers but as I remember it's not designed for printers which already have Apple

I've played with a recent ver of CPD which had support for a bundle of HP inkjets, and I think a couple of Canons. Since Apple's SW inkjets (recent ones, anyway) are rebadged Canons, I thought CPD was worth a shot...

Subject: 32Mhz '030?
would be a 32MHz version of the '030 when they made a 33MHz chip. I distinctly remember that the chip was in several machines from 1992-1993,

It was almost certainly a 33MHz part run at 32MHz due to design exigencies... probably simplified clocking some other portion of the circuit to have everything running at a precise divisor of 32MHz.

I know there are plenty of accelerators available for the venerable IIci, but is there anything out there to speed up a IIcx, short of a motherboard upgrade?

The September 1996 edition of MacUser (Help Folder, pages 103-104) had something to say about cx upgrades. DayStar manufactures a DayStar Turbo 040 upgrade for the IIcx. Last time I checked it was about $700, just a bit more expensive for my blood.

Subject: Mac512 Mormom geneology application
From: Ken Walend

A friend with a 512k would like a copy of the no-longer available Mormom geneology application for early Macs.
Any help, please?

I like in Salt Lake City, Utah, so next time I'm downtown I'll go the Geneology center, and see if they have any information.

Subject: Re: MacIIvx
From: Reverend Angela Kirsten

I want to purchase a used IIvx to do digital audio production. So ...

Welcome to the IIvi, IIvx, Performa 600, Performa 600CD FAMILY of computers. I do not know what distinguishes the IIvi from the others...

To the best of my knowledge the "x" in IIvx means that there is no internal video. So consequently the IIvi does have internal video. (However, I could have the meanings reversed). So, that would mean that the IIvi and IIvx are the same machine, with the only difference being the internal video. As far as the Performa 600CD goes, I'm not sure.

I just installed system 7.5.5 on my IIcx, and after the installation my ATM (Adobe Type Manger) decided to disappear. Does anyone know why this happened? And, more importantly does anyone know if I can just download ATM without having to reinstall Illustrator?

Kris Lander

I doubt that this will end the confusion, but the ONLY machine that Apple ever made that had a 68020 was the original Mac II. All others had 68000, 68030, 68040 or various PowerPCs.

I doubt that it will end the confusion too, especially since it is incorrect. Two Macs actually used the 68020. The following information is from the "Frequently Asked Questions about Macintosh Hardware" document.

Mac II
Processor: M68020 16 MHz, M68881 16 MHz FPU

Mac LC
Processor: M68020 16 MHz

Andy

Anyone out there actually gotten a Mac Plus and Zip drive to co-exist?

That would be me. i've got a MacPlus with 2.5 MB of Ram running system 7.1 off of a zip drive. it's also got a 14.4 modem, macweb, eudora and ircle. It's slow on the net, but it works. For word processing and paint, I've got MacWrite 5.0 and lightningPaint 1.1.

-joe

Does anyone know a source for a new screen for a PB170? I was given one in perfect working order except for a cracked screen. And is there any way to bypass the 10Mb RAM restriction on it, other than RamDoubler? I do know of one company which can upgrade the 25MHz clock speed to 33MHz.

Thanks.

"Bonjour" everybody

I'm a proud owner of Mac SE/30 with actually 8 meg of RAM (simms of 1 meg. each), and currently running Connectix mode 32 and system 7.1.
I usually dont use virtual memory.
If I want to have "physicaly" more RAM, can I use simm with greater capacity (like 4 meg. each) on this mac? In how many slot/bank? What's happen if mode 32 IS NOT activated on startup (because old software incompability with 32 bit adressing...) and I have more than 8 meg of RAM on board?

Thank you for advice and remember:
"Old compact mac is like Volkswagen Beetle: small, simple, reliable, affortable, and fun ( and you know, everyone secretly love it and want to have one in is garage...). After all, who needs air-bags, anti-lock brakes, and five-speeds transmission to take a joy-ridding?"
Have a great day!

Michel Boissonneault.
Roberval,Canada

With version 7.5 the capability of the IIcx to write DOS disks seems to have gone down the drain. If any writes are done (such as writing a desktop file) the FAT is trashed.

After beating on Apple's tech support, I got to someone who evidently knew that there was a problem and recommended shutting down *all* extensions. This seems to work, but you loose the translators when you do so.

Anyone experience this problem and any work-arounds??

Robert Zusman wrote:
I doubt that this will end the confusion, but the ONLY machine that Apple ever made that had a 68020 was the original Mac II. All others had 68000, 68030, 68040 or various PowerPCs.

I must take umbrage with the word ONLY as you used it.
As I lift off the case of an LC I read off the CPU:

"MC68020FE16E"
"OC10H"
"QEAT9041"
"MALAYSIA"

I just wanted to show I had physical evidence.

Bruce

1. Can you get a copy of pre 7.1 OS?

Just go to Apple's ftp and download it. They have flavors of 6 & 7.01 available for free! why pay for what you can get elsewhere. Of course if you don't have access to the net then mailorder would be just fine.

Always Apple!, Michael

re: the question of a Mac Plus or SE and a zip drive.

For some reason which I havent discovered yet I have not been able to successfully run a zip drive on an SE. I have tried it with System 6.0.8 and 7.1 with no success.

SCSI Probe confirms that there is a device but is unable to mount it.

The guest program wont even run. It just gives me a beep.

anthony

Steve and Jon:

The memory and accelerator problems have related solutions.

I have an LCII with 14 mgs of Ram. You need to get a Thudercache Pro accelerator card to use more that 10 mgs. (I don't have the exact model number handy, but you can find it in Mac Mall's catalogue.) You can add, if you can afford it, up to 64 mgs. And with Ram Doubler 2 ... Plus the speed is good.

I had some problems with freezes and crashes with 7.5.3, but 7.5.5 works smoothly.

Louise

Has anyone used an older version of AOL on a 4-meg Plus? I'd think one of the first versions would work on a Plus (abiet slowly).

I have been offered a MacPlus...1meg Ram and no hard drive. I'm not = sure that the fellow giving me the machine can find his OS disks so my question is twofold.
1. Can you get a copy of pre 7.1 OS?
2. Can you run the MacPlus from a Zip drive?

You can get 7.01 from the Macuser archives

http://www.zdnet.com/macuser/

Do a search for system 7.01 and you should find it. You may have to do a lot of scrolling. Apple's web site has it as well. It takes approx 1.5 megs on my Plus with no extensions or CP's.

The only difference between 7.01 and 7.1 is that you don't have the fonts folder in the system folder on 7.01 you just drop the fonts into the system folder.

No, you can't boot a Plus from a zip. You CAN however, read a ZIp from a Plus by dropping the Iomegs extension into the extensions folder on the Plus.

JAG

Can you run the MacPlusfrom a Zip drive?

Yes, though I wouldn't strongly recommend it.

A ZIP disk with the usual iomega driver may very likely =3Dnot=3D be able to start-up a Mac Plus. If you use a 3rd party SCSI driver (I used SilverLining), then the Plus will acknowledge the ZIP as a Start-up disk. This can, however, be asking for trouble. A third party driver probably wasn't written to support the unique features of a ZIP drive, so there may be the possibility of system crashes and data corruption.

Anyone out there actually gotten a Mac Plus and Zip drive to co-exist?

Yes, I tried it myself on my Plus, and with O/S 7.5.5 no less. :) I didn't have any probs but I didn't run it like that for very long.

...they say that you need "Macintosh with a supported operating system, 4MB RAM, Mac SE or greater." Dunno what the SE has that the Plus doesn't though.

I may be mistaken, I believe what the SE has that the Plus doesn't have is a PRAM setting for a Start-Up drive. The "Startup Drive" Control Panel has never worked on a Mac Plus for this reason.

Hope This Helps!

-- George Leighton

I doubt that this will end the confusion, but the ONLY machine that Apple ever made that had a 68020 was the original Mac II. All others had 68000, 68030, 68040 or various PowerPCs.

The ORIGINAL LC had a '20 processor.

Mina

Ok, after reading this list for a few weeks it's clear that if I want more oomph out of my SE/800K, then my best bet is to swap in an SE/30 logic board. But I have a few questions about the process.

3) What system software works best? I have 4mb RAM but am willing to upgrage if necessary. My choices seem to be between 7.0.x and 7.5.5, since I can't buy anything in between.

A better choice for the SE would be the MicroMac `30 / 33Mhz accelerator with 64K cache.

I have one installed on my SE, and it is MUCH faster than my "stock" SE/30. The SE/30 has the advantage of accepting up to 128 megs of RAM (you will need "Mode 32" to access more than 8 megs), Color Quick Draw (GS output), and a HD floppy drive. The MicroMac can use "Connectix Virtual 3.0" which gives you up to 16 megs of 'virtual memory' at around 2000% faster than Apple's scheme (for best results with Connectix Virtual 3.0, set the "virtual" RAM to 12 megs contiguous, and use System 7.0.1 with the updater (7.0.1 + bullet), and install 4 megs on the SE mama board.

Mina

Second, is the (40Mg) drive replacable?

Can't answer the first, but the Classic II will accept any standard 3.5" 1/3rd height SCSI drive. *However* If you are scouring the secondhand market for SCSI drives, note that unless you get a Quantum drive, Apple's HD SC Setup won't partition or format it (Grrr!!). You will need a third party utility like LaCie's Silverlining http://www.lacie.com/.

Actually you will need a HD with Apple aware ROMs (a HD that was sourced to Apple), this includes Quantums, IBMs, etc.

ONLY Quantums with the "Apple" label can be used with the Apple HD utility.

Mina

p s, Hard Drive Toolkit is much better, but the Apple product is cheaper :)

I doubt that this will end the confusion, but the ONLY machine that Apple ever made that had a 68020 was the original Mac II. All others had 68000, 68030, 68040 or various PowerPCs.

Wrong.
the original LC also has a 68020.

Subject: Re: Classic II Replacements
First, Can I replace the battery on a Classic II or must this be done by a dealer. Are there any workarounds?

You can do it. You need:
1. Case Splitter to get Classic II apart.
2. Torx 15 Screw driver with a long neck to get the screws out of the top and the back.
3. The battery, which you can get at any store.

The battery is on the mother board, which is easily accessible wonce the case is opened.

The often mentioned Case Splitter for Macs is just a modified pair of Welding Clamps from your local hardware store for a couple of dollars.

Regards
Paul B Jones

If you have a II and can get your hands on a Rocket, I HIGHLY recommend it. The performance increase I saw with just this 25Mhz w/fpu was AMAZING. This machine now handles most things better than the 50mhz 486/dx2 I'm FORCED to use at work, and this comparison is with MS Excel 5.0.

A couple of things to keep in mind.
-The rocket needs to see at least four megs on your logic board, and 8 on the Rocket.
-The latest system you can run is 7.1.
-The Rocket hates most sound , so it may crash with certain things (mainly games, though it works great with Marathon)
-The More memory it can get the better. Due to the "Trick" it's using to run the O40, the Rocket is actually loading the II's ROM to RAM. I have 20 on it and it runs well.
-If the program you REALLY need to run crashes you can launch w/out the Rocket by holding down Cmd+R and you will be on the Stock II.

I Run MS Office 4.2, Netscape 3.0, and a host of other "modern" programs with this setup, and I have Aaron for that System 8 look. Now if I only had a SuperDrive......

I have been offered a MacPlus...1meg Ram and no hard drive.
1. Can you get a copy of pre 7.1 OS?

available via fetch/ftp on ftp.info.apple.com in /Apple.Support.Area/Apple_SW_Updates/US/Macintosh/System/Older_System/

2. Can you run the MacPlus from a Zip drive?

Not sure about the zip but I originally had quite a bit of trouble getting my plus (currently on loan to my sister-in-law) to "see" my Syquest EZ135; maybe the zip drive will have a similar problem.

I had several long discussions with Apple Tech Support, Syquest, and LaCie (wrote the device driver) and, apparently, the early Apple incarnation of SCSI had a compatibility issue with the eventually agreed upon SCSI standard in an area critical to removable-media drives. As a result, I can not boot the plus directly from my EZ135.

BUT, once I have booted with a System 6.0 (has to be 6.0, not >||< ) floppy, the drive mounts and appears as a "normal" scsi volume. Then, with any >System 6.0 system folder installed on the EZ135, I can start an application on the EZ135, the active system folder swaps and runs from the EZ135. From then on out the EZ135 acts as the startup drive (and runs like a bat out of you-know-where;-)!). This is a bit cumbersome but gives me lots more hard drive space than the old 20 meg drive I had and it does everything my sister-in-law needs in a computer (she writes novels!).

Hope that helps.

Christopher Currie,

...oomph out of my SE/800K, then my best bet is to swap in an SE/30 logic board. But I have a few questions about the process.

1) How can I tell if my memory is fast enough to support an SE/30?

If they're 1MB SIMMs from your SE, they should be fast enough. SE/30s are not that fast. You'll have SIMM sockets for 4 more SIMMs on an SE/30.

2) Are there any other hardware changes I need to turn my SE into a true SE/30? I know I need SuperDrives, anything else?

Just the SuperDrive. Except for cosmetic differences in the case and maybe hard disk size, everything else is the same.

3) What system software works best? I have 4mb RAM but am willing to upgrage if necessary. My choices seem to be between 7.0.x and 7.5.5, since I can't buy anything in between.

7.5.3 works fine on my SE/30 which has 8MB RAM. With 4MB, 7.0.x or 7.1 would be better.

As an aside, can anyone tell me what an analog board is, and what is does?

The analog board is the large circuit board along the left side (looking from front) of the case. I believe it controls the video. The controls for adjusting the display size are on it. They are the same on SEs and SE/30s.

- Ken Watanabe