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Table of Contents for this issue:
A troubled 128K...
Monitor for IIsi
Zip and Plus
RE: Where can we find Accelerators
Re: 68000 Apps
Mac IIcx to be reawaken as a IIci
Re: ftp-sites for old versions of software
Old Mac stuff ftp site
Teleport modems on Mac Plus
Plus and e-machines
Internet and the MAC SE30
Re:Mac Plus and SE Questions
MicroMac
IIcx quirks
Subscribe
External Hard Drive for Mac Plus

Subject: A troubled 128K...
Sent: 12/11/96 11:21 PM
Received: 12/11/96 11:30 PM
From: Leif
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have a 128K that has been upgraded to 512K (it has a little sticker on the back that says "fat mac"!). It seemed to work fine, tho I only have one working floppy drive (the drive IS an 800K drive... will the ROMs support 800K disks? I have only tried 400K disks). Then, I made the mistake of putting my only good system disk for the thing into my SE. I re-named a folder (I don't know if thats what caused it), and then booted up the 128K from it again. I got a happy mac for a second, but it quickly changed to a sad mac. I tried several more times, but couldn't boot up. About a week later, I started it up again. Happy Mac, Welcome to Macintosh, etc. etc. It all seemed to work! When I double-clicked on the system disk icon, I got a system error. I re-started, and it worked 'til I tried to open the system disk again. The same thing happens whenever I try to open a DA from the Apple menu, usually (it opened the scrapbook a couple times). The problem seems to be slowly getting better, but I could use some help.

Also, on a different subject, I am thinking of starting a classic macintosh collection. I have the 128K, the SE, a really old IIgs, and I am getting a plus in a couple weeks. There is also a chance that I will get a couple classics (4/20 and a 4/40, I think) when my school cleans out some old classrooms (heck, thats where I got the IIgs and part of the SE! They THROW OLD MACS IN THE DUMPSTER! I LOVE IT!).

Anyway, if anyone is interested in helping out with this, please eMail me. (for pre-mac-apple-lovers, I have a friend who has about 12 Apple IIe's, which he got when I got my SE and IIgs.)

Subject: Monitor for IIsi
Sent: 12/11/96 11:28 PM
Received: 12/11/96 11:30 PM
From: Paul DiGiovanni
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

 
I need some advice.

I am saving my younger sister from the netherworld of PCs by buying her a used IIsi. My parents are willing to contribute ~$300 toward a monitor. Could anyone suggest a new or used monitor which will work well with a IIsi? I think there is something funky about the video with IIsi's - don't they use DRAM to power the video? What RAM recommendations would you make?

 
Thanks! 
 
Paul D. DiGiovanni 
Cortland, NY

Subject: Zip and Plus
Sent: 12/11/96 8:20 PM
Received: 12/12/96 9:06 AM
From: Jag
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

12/11/96 9:50 AM
From: Jean-Claude Simard
To: Classic Macs Postings

1) Mac Plus

a) Well two more applications that run on a Mac Plus. At the office I have a Mac Plus running on System 7.5.5 stripped down from the full install to 1.5 MB; I just copied the system file from my PB180 to a 80 MB hard drive and got rid of everything that didn't work or was not necessary. I have ClarisWorks 3 running on it all day with a 175 record database for the receptionnist; it's pretty slow, but it works. Today though, I installed FileMaker Pro 3.0 and set the memory to 2.4 MB. I converted the database from ClarisWorks 3 and did a few tests: MUCHHHH faster searching and tabbing through a new record. The receptionnist was pretty obset when I told him, he had to wait for me to write the new layouts.

b) There was another Plus under a desk that still works, However I couldn't reformat two other Hard Drives. So I tried to use a zip with a bootable disk containing a copy of the one I use on the other Plus to no avail. I get the happy Mac followed soon after by a diskette icon with a ?. I tried 6.0.8 without success. The Mac works well as I substituted it on the receptionnist desk. So is my zip. Any help would be much appreciated.

2) Mac SE There was also a Mac SE under the same desk! It's the one with two diskette drives and it also has an internal hard disk. It didn't boot on his own, so I tried the zip drive with 7.5.5. It gave me a ; so I assume that it doesn't have 4 MB in it. So I tried with 6.0.8 on the zip and got a little further. It booted and mounted the zip disk but gave me an message for the internal disk. The initialization failed and eject didn't work either;-) So will it be possible to disable the internal drive and use only a zip drive? If so please give an idea how to do it. I've never opened one of these cases before, but I've opened and upgraded my PB180 a few times, so I'm not that bad! I could also upgrade the memory to 4 MB, as I have 4 X 1 MB left from upgrading my IIsi. I assume that it's the same memory, right? Is there any other upgrade that would be cheap and worth doing on this SE?

TIA,

Jean-Claude Simard
Hollywood, Florida

 
-- Jean-Claude

I plugged a Zip into my Plus, but it wouldn't boot from it. It would read from the Zip only. Apparently thre are some Pluses that will boot from a Zip, some that won't depending on when they were made or something. I used MacWeb to browse,

http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/Shareware.html

Newswatcher for news, ircle for chat and Eudora for email on my Plus. It has 4 megs of ram (the max) and a 40 meg drive. I use config PPP and MacTCP 2.06. I use system 7.01 (available at the Apple web site ot MacUser's software archives). 7.01 uses approx 1.5 megs with very few extensions. I plugged in a Zip drive to transfer the system since it was too big for the 800K floppy drive.

JAG

Subject: RE: Where can we find Accelerators
Sent: 12/12/96 12:27 AM
Received: 12/12/96 9:07 AMFrom: RCarlson1
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

 
MicroMac Tech. stuff and address, phone number, URL try: 
(714) 362-1000 
(714) 362-5428 fax

I have their MicroMac Performer Pro 68030 with FPU in my Mac SE. Works great and in 2 years I have not had one incompatibility problem by installing their accelerator - a welcome surprise.

Subject: Re: 68000 Apps
Sent: 12/12/96 7:26 AM
Received: 12/12/96 9:06 AM
From: Albert L. Lilly III
To: Hitz, hitz@hitznet.com

 
At the moment the list of such basic net-apps isn't very long:

Anarchie 1.6.0 (2.0.1 crashes)
MacTCP Watcher 1.1.0 (ping crashes 2.0)
MacWeb 1.00A3.2 (1.1.1 E crashes when saving prefs)
MacPPP 2.0.1 and MacPPP 2.01cm4 (the only PPP that works)
NCSA Mosaic 1.0.3
YA-Base64 1.2.0 (1.2.9 crashes)
YA-NewsWatcher 2.0.3b0 (2.3.4 crashes)
Older versions of Eudora still work. Even Eudora 1.5.5 is running on older Macs.
MacWeather 2.0.4 runs on my Classic II, as did Netscape 1.12 (if you can find a copy of it).
But, the Classic II has Color Quickdraw in the ROM, so it may not run on Macs without it.
Turbogopher 2.0.3 ran as well, and I used it for a long time.

There are others but this at least should give you a start. Maybe someone can collect all of these apps and have them available.

Albert L. Lilly III
Lilly Music Services
Trumpeter, Brass Clinician, Arranger and Composer
Home Page: http://www.scican.net/~alilly/alilly.html

Subject: Mac IIcx to be reawaken as a IIci
Sent: 12/12/96 9:28 AM
Received: 12/12/96 10:35 AM
From: Ron Carlson
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Thanks for all the help from the group about my Mac IIcx which was zapped-deaD by a nearby lightning strike. I am now shopping for a ci motherboard to replace the cx one. I have located (with help from the group) a couple of commercial ci motherboards, but they're a bit pricey. Anybody know of a ci motherboard or system (0/0 no disk, no floppies) for sale?

Regards,
Ron Carlson

Subject: Re: ftp-sites for old versions of software
Sent: 12/12/96 10:58 AM
Received: 12/12/96 11:10 AM
From: Robert Eye
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Matti,

The only one I have found is at: ftp://irisa.irisa.fr/News/comp.binaries.mac/

The names are fairly cryptic, and the files are segmented, but there are indices to the folders and there are many older versions of many Mac sw titles.

Regards,
Bob Eye

Subject: ftp-sites for old versions of software
Sent: 12/11/96 1:56 PM
Received: 12/11/96 6:09 PM
From: Matti Haveri
To: Classic Macs, classic-post@hitznet.com

There is an increasing number of apps that at some point have ceased to work on 68000 macs like Plus, SE, Portable, Classic and PB100. I guess that somewhere in near future similar things start to happen to other 68k macs and only PPC macs are actively supported.

A few weeks ago I asked the info-mac moderators if it was possible to create an info-mac directory that contains old versions that, unlike newer versions, still work on old macs. The directory could be named something like /info-mac/old/ etc. (It could also include versions that work only on old Systems).

I haven't yet got a final answer but at the moment it seems that the moderators at info-mac are already so busy with the current load that this won't happen.

Is there already a ftp-site which exclusively contains old versions that, unlike newer versions, still work on old macs?

At the moment the list of such basic net-apps isn't very long:

ps. my 68000-mac page is at:
http://walli.walli.uwasa.fi/~mhaveri/68000.txt

-- Matti Haveri
http://walli.walli.uwasa.fi/~mhaveri/

Subject: Old Mac stuff ftp site
Sent: 12/12/96 4:57 PM
Received: 12/12/96 9:07 AM
From: zws.com System Administrator
To: classic-post@hitznet.com, classic-post@hitznet.com

A few weeks ago I asked the info-mac moderators if it was possible to create an info-mac directory that contains old versions that, unlike newer versions, still work on old macs.

[chomp]

I haven't yet got a final answer but at the moment it seems that the moderators at info-mac are already so busy with the current load that this won't happen.

I know the feeling (of being overly busy with the current load).

_If_ you or someone else is willing to take the time to sort these things out and upload them to my site (with descriptions), I am happy to provide however much space is necessary on zws.com for this type of material. That's assuming there isn't already a site specifically dedicated to the purpose. I'd really like to say "I'll sift the earth for applications" but I really don't have the time, sorry folks.

Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
[Team OS/2]
http://www.zws.com
Fax 03 92281335
Pager 03 92566393
P.O. Box 590,
Toorak, Vic. 3142, Australia
Tel 0412 809805, 0411 499000 (Optus Communications)

Optus Communications uses Apple Macintosh technologies ASK NOW about your 1Mb FREE web space and email box !

Subject: Teleport modems on Mac Plus
Sent: 12/12/96 9:55 AM
Received: 12/12/96 3:21 PM
From: mike_friese
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Matti Haveri wrote:

Are some modems incompatible with the Plus? Teleport Bronze draws power from the ADB port which the Plus lacks but are there other modems that don't work and why?

From: mike_friese

The Teleport Platinum package specifically warns that you can't use that modem on a Plus. I haven't tried it yet. I do have some encouragement. I have a Plus and a Teleport Bronze. The Bronze is apparently not compatible with the Plus because it is powered from the ADB port, which the Plus does not have. A simple thing like that should not discourage a true old Mac aficionado.

I made up a special keyboard cable for the Plus that has a ADB connector on it. I wired the +5 and GND lines only to the ADB. The Bronze works like a champ on the Plus. It is used regularly for accessing e- mail via AOL. I haven't tried the fax software yet. I guess a Teleport Bronze also qualifies as classic Mac equipment, so here's a tip: The software shipped with the newest Global Village modems works perfectly with it. That includes the faxing software and even OCR! I have tried it on a PB 190 and a PowerMac 8500. (Imagine a Teleport Bronze on a PowerMac!)

Subject: Plus and e-machines
Sent: 12/12/96 10:11 AM
Received: 12/12/96 3:21 PM
From: mike_friese
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I have a Mac Plus and a E-Machines Big Picture (a 1024 x 808 monochrome screen). This is a wonderful combination that makes the Plus a lot easier to work with. I upgraded the Plus to 7.5.3 and it still works perfectly except for one problem:

When I shut down, everything shuts down properly but just at the moment the "It is safe to shut off your Mac" alert should be displayed, the system crashes.

Other Info: 4 meg RAM 100 meg hard drive System 7.5.3, minimum install Standard Inits or almost no inits do the same thing Big Picture Init 1.45 installed Double Feature 2.2 not used

mike_friese

Subject: Internet and the MAC SE30
Sent: 12/12/96 2:26 PM
Received: 12/12/96 3:21 PM
From: Suzanne Boben
To: 'Classic MAC Group', classic-post@hitznet.com

Hi All, A friend of mine just purchased an old MAC SE30 and was wondering if it's possible to get internet software and a compatible modem for it. He's not sure which system it's running, but it's only got a 30meg HD.

Suzanne

Subject: Re:Mac Plus and SE Questions
Sent: 12/12/96 12:16 PM
Received: 12/12/96 3:21 PM
From: SALUPO VINCENT P
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Subject: Re:Mac Plus and SE Questions
Jean-Claude Simard, wrote:

Jean-Claude,

My plus boots fine from a Zip drive. But only if the disk has the Iomega v4.2 (the orginal) version of Zip driver on it. I have found that If you upgrade your disk drivers to either 4.3 or 4.3.2 on another machine, you can no longer boot the plus. You get the ? over disk icon. The only way I know to verify the driver version is to boot another computer with the disk already in the Zip. This will force the driver on the disk to be loaded instead of the driver in the extensions folder. Both of the following require that you boot with the disk in the Zip drive: 1-If a 4.3.+ version of the driver is already installed on the computer, you will get an error message during startup telling you that it couldn't be loaded because an older version has already loaded.

2-If the computer doesn't have the Iomega extension, you will need a disk utility like SCSI probe to find the version of the driver currently loaded for the Zip. You don't mention if the other Plus in the office boots with the Zip. If it does, I'm baffled. As you indicated, you can still use the Zip with any drivers as a second removable drive. You just can't boot from it. I don't know why this is the case. I am running 4MB on my Plus with System 7.1 update 3 with the Zip as my boot disk.

Vince Salupo

Subject: MicroMac
Sent: 12/12/96 5:28 PM
Received: 12/12/96 6:52 PM
From: waltz
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

If the $99.00 MicroMac upgrade is installed in a Plus, since it is an 030 chip, will RAM Doubler work? The question becomes, does it really become an 030 and therefore able to run most of the more recent applications?

Subject: IIcx quirks
Sent: 12/12/96 5:44 PM
Received: 12/12/96 6:52 PM
From: Babette Thomson (Medium Pool)
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

This is my first post to the --what--forum? I don't have a lot of technical knowledge but I'll be as specific as I can. My IIcx was bought used about 6-7 years ago. It now has 8mb RAM, system 7.5 (yes 7.5.5 wrought havoc on the fax modem stuff) (I love the multiple menus in 7.5), a 230mb internal HD, a 121mb exterior HD, a Supra fax modem 288, a color monitor whose screen is a touch over 10 1/2" x 8" (what size do you call that?) that says Magnovox Professional on it, and cables to the b&w; 300dpi printer and to my husband's power mac (75080) where he does graphics, scanning, etc. (about which I know very little). We have KidDesk with a variety of games for our genius 6 year old (isn't everyone's?)--her favorite right is Kid Works II, 19.95 last year at ToysRUs! KidDesk seems happier if we restart with extensions off.

I use RAM Doubler, QuickBooks Pro 4, FileMaker 3, Word 5.1, Quicken 5, FaxCilitate, Eudora Pro, Netscape 2.02, and Solitaire Til Dawn (shareware from the net). Other programs don't get used much.

Later, when husband upgrades I'll get his power mac, we'll be getting the IIcx a CD-Rom and giving it full time to the kid, like that other person, unless the problem below, maybe related to Grandma's Classic?, kills it first. (Then my daughter will subscribe to this newsforum)

PROBLEM: The monitor screen sometimes goes white, then just a paler version of whatever's running, with white lines zig-zagging back and forth across the screen. Then sometimes it shrinks a bit side to side, and not evenly. It'll be a bit narrower at some places than others. Occasionally banging the monitor with my hand will help (it makes me feel better, too!). This problem has no effect on whatever's running at the time, so if I can see the mouse pointer, I can kind of keep working until its little seizure is over. Jiggling the power connector has little or no effect. I've been valiently plowing through 3 weeks of posts, but I'm probably going to take your advice and delete them so I'll have time to look for all the brilliant and insightful answers others will have to my problem.

PS. I have written about 6-8 pages of my escapades learning to use the internet. Should I post them to this address, or somewhere else. I think it's pretty good. (you can delete this paragraph after answering)

Subject: Subscribe
Sent: 12/11/96 12:45 PM
Received: 12/11/96 6:09 PM
From: Vera S. Isfeld
To: classicmacs@hitznet.com

I recently picked up a Macintosh Plus, with 1 MB, system 6.0.8 and I want to know how to upgrade its RAM and its system to a 7.1. Can this be done? What other software can be used on a Macintosh Plus?

Subject: External Hard Drive for Mac Plus
Sent: 12/12/96 4:02 PM
Received: 12/12/96 9:02 PM
From: sstowell
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Hi everyone... I recently inherited a Mac Plus (1 MB RAM/no HD) from a friend, and would like to put it to use. What I need is an external hard drive, so that I can install the System, etc. without haveing to run everything from an 800K floppy! Any ideas as to where I could buy one of these?

Thanks,
cott

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