Table of Contents for this issue:

Mac Plus
Things that make you go hummmm!
Sad Mac Plus
Re: Recipe Programs
Re: MacWeb 2 is out
Mac Systems and Old Apps Site
Re: Techie Classic Fans/Install 7.5
Support for Applied Engineering Products
IIcx -- IIci motherboards
Re: SE FDHD Motherboard and Applied Engineering HD+ Floppy Driv
Networking 512k
Classic Macs Digest 1.6
Re: Techie Classic Fans/Install 7.5
Re: Apple cd-roms and tech support
9" display problem
Re: Classic Macs Digest 1.6
Re: Mac Classic
Mac Plus Battery
Re: CI goes belly up

I'm interested in obtaining copies of old magazines that discus the Mac
Plus and its workings, is there a mail order dealer out there who has
copies of any such old computer magazine. or even an individual who still
has copies ???

Steve Scaysbrook

Just in case you run in to this type of setup, I thought I d share this odd occurrence that I ran into today. I was setting up my old SE/FDHD (4MB/250) to lend to a friend of mine for a word processor for some night classes she was taking. I had been using it as a fax/mail server (System 7.5.5 with Eudora and FreePPP).

I first took all my communications apps and utilities and placed them in a folder, then made them invisible. Now I wanted to load ClarisWorks 3.0 for her. After hooking up my external Hard Drive and using Drop Disk to mount the Claris images, I 2x clicked the installer and received the message This software needs a 68000 CPU to run› (or something to that effect.)

I paused, thought about it and said, Well, I know there is a 68000 CPU in that Old Faithful SE› So I tried again. Again, the same message. Well, here s the jist of it. Evidently running 7.7.5 caused a misread in the installer because when I dropped back to System 7.1 everything went as smooth as always when installing software on this rugged old machine.

I guess we can t expect something made in 1989 to be able to see as far ahead as 1997 when contemplating System software changes, maybe we are just spoiled because we seldom have problems like this. I guess if we had PC s this would be BUSINESS AS USUAL!

Scott Williamson
Cape Cod, MA

I recently was given a bad Mac Plus. When I start it up, the startup
beep plays and the sad mac icon appears on the screen before it even
checks for a startup disk. The sad mac icon is not normal- it has
rectangles covering it. The error code is 01EFFF. From what I have
learned about error codes, this seems to be a ROM problem. I think that
it may also be causing the unusual icon, since it is stored in ROM. It
has two banks of RAM and the resistor is cut (the one that allows it to
see the RAM). It would be great if anyone would know what the problem is
and how I could fix it. I have been trying to get a good clasic mac for
a long time; I have a 128K, but it's a little too outdated to be very
usable, as the highest system software version I have that will work on
this machiene is System 3.2/Finder5.3. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

numeric

From: Scott Gurley
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

OK, I have an SE with a 16Mhz accelerator sitting on my kitchen counter
running Now Contact and system 7.5.3. I have been looking for a recipe
program with a database of recipes and have had no luck. I've downloaded
dozens from the net but none has worked (either the screen was too small
or the program crashed or something). Anyone know of a good one?

I've got Mangia! from Upstill Software. I run it on a Duo 230, so I know
it's OK on small screens (even B&W, which I sometimes use because of the
passive matrix display). The program is small, fast and very flexible. You
can search recipies by catagory, main ingredients, or anything else. It
will even print out a shopping list after you pick out some recipies. I'm
not sure what it's going for now, but I remember paying about $30 for it.

Jim McDonald

PS: I'm on this list not for the Duo, but my great old LC. I saw a question
about accelerators for this machine a while ago, but haven't seen any
responses. Anyone have good results with the ones still available from
Sonnet or MicroMac?

Question is, does v2 still run on our old Macs? Is it still lean and mean?
And has anyone put it on the net for download? Non-US netters won't be able
to get hold of the US Macworld very easily (we have our own edition).

Anybody out there tried it yet, or know where it can be found?

First of all, the official word from TradeWave. You can find this and
more at http://www.einet.net/EINet/MacWeb/MacWebHome.html. To quote:

"TradeWave presently is distributing winWeb and MacWeb only as part of our
new corporate product offering, TradeVPI. We released our first version of
TradeVPI (virtual private Internet) on April 1. TradeVPI provides an
applications platform for building and operating corporate intranets and
electronic commerce solutions.

"We apologize for any inconvenience this decision might cause people who
have been using the browsers."

Now, the interesting part is that I actually have seen the browser. I
work for an ISP. We get our software packages from a company called
UsefulWare http://www.usefulware.com. They used to distribute MacWeb
2.0 in their low-cost Macintosh package. They since have moved to
Microsoft Internet Explorer.

The oldest Mac I have tested MacWeb 2.0 on was my SE/30 with 8 Mb RAM
running System 7.1. It worked fine, but so did Netscape and MSIE.

The TradeWave page says that MacWeb 2.0 "Requires System 7 and MacTCP
2.0.2 or higher". No other requirements are given.

Oh, and please don't ask me to post it or send out copies. I'm pretty
sure that I can't redistribute it. :-(

Andy

I just posted a set of Self-Extracting archives of Old Macintosh System
disks and Applications to a site on the Web.

They are:

MacDraw is MacDraw II 1.0v4, October 1988
MacPaint is Version 2.0, June 9, 1988
MacProject is MacProject II 2.1v3, February 1990 including MacPlot and
Samples
MacProject Help is the Help files and Dictionaries
MacProject Tour is the HyperCard Tour for 2.1
MacWrite is Version 5.0, January 1988
Sampler.sea.hqx is a System Sampler that includes MacWrite 4.5c,
MacProject V1, MacPaint 1.5, and a System Folder.
This can be extracted to a 800K disk for booting. This came with a Mac
Plus, I think.
Sys3.2.sea.hqx is Macintosh System 3.2
Sys5.0.sea.hqx is Macintosh System 5.0
Sys6.0.sea.hqx is Macintosh System 6.0

Check out the site at:
ftp://ftp.mtn.org/pub/users/jbipes/
and the page at:
http://www.mtn.org/~jbipes/oldmac.html
for other Old Mac items.

On Tue, 14 Jan 97 22:12:11 -0500, Hitz wrote:

So, I tried to install 7.5 from my original disks. I followed the
installation instructions, including running Disk Tools to see if the
drive was OK (it was) but when I tried to install 7.5 the machine froze
on the first floppy (there are seven). Thinking it was the floppy, I ran

For some reason, I had that problem on several different machines when
trying to install 7.5 the "recommended" way, ie by booting from the
first disk. I solved it by installing 7.1 on the hard drive first, then
booting from the hard drive, putting in the first disk of 7.5, and
running the Installer.

Since you already have a System on the machine, try booting from the
HDD and run the Installer off the first Sys 7.5 disk.....

Question from Dave Mitchell

3. General question - does anyone else use any of Applied
Engineering's products? If so, how have they worked for you? Have you had
to get any support since they went belly-up?

Information from an Apple II newsletter (called THE APPLE BLOSSOM
published by Steve Cavanaugh)... [BTW, Applied Engineering made Apple II
products for many years before attempting to enter the Mac market]

The Australion franchise of Applied Engineering kept going after Applied
Engineering went out of business. According to the article, they do
not build the AE products, but repair many AE products, including items
sent to them from the US.

Contact information given in article:

Web: http://mars.nettrek.net.au/appleserv/welcome.html

- Ken Watanabe

I own a IIcx. Is it possible to exchange the IIcx motherboard with a IIci
motherboard? The case appears to be identical, but I was curious about
the built-in external ports (such as video) - do they match? How about
the power supply?

- Ken Watanabe

Dave Mitchell wrote

I have a Mac SE, which I recently upgraded from an 800K motherboard
to a FDHD motherboard. This system is accelerated to 40 MHz with an Applied
Engineering Transwarp 1430. Attached to this system is AEHD Plus Drive
1.44Mb external floppy drive from Applied Engineering. I am running System
7.1, and have 4MB Ram, 535Mb internal, two 800K internal floppies, a Zip,
CD, 14.4K modem and an HP LaserJet 4ML connected.

Wow, that's quite a souped-up SE. Mine's envious.... What kind of CD runs
on an SE?

1. Before I installed the FDHD motherboard , the external floppy
worked fine - by loading a control panel @ startup. Now, the control panel
doesn't load, but this is normal - it reads the ROM version and loads
accordingly - not a problem. However, the drive does act strangely now.

(a) Presumably the HD Plus is *meant* to still work with a Superdrive-aware
SE? Or is it just for Macs that can't read HD disks any other way?
(b) Someone once said in a newsgroup that the HD Plus: "has an INIT which
installs a driver to handle the HD format for Macs without the SWIM chip".
Maybe they meant a control panel, or could there be an old extension
getting in the way?
(c) Have you tried dumping the control panel just in case it's still doing
something?
(d) Did you upgrade with an Apple FDHD chip kit? Or swap a motherboard from
some other Superdrive-capable SE? If the latter, maybe the replacement
board has a problem.

It reads disks formatted with the old board and [as?] blank or unuseable, and
after ejecting a disk, the next disk inserted will be spit out immediately as
if it were ejected. After that happens, you can insert the same disk again,
and it will mount normally. ...could there be some sort of problem with the
new ROMs, or other problems with the other hardware installed?

Is it only HD disks formatted with the old board and HD Plus control panel
that give problems? If others are fine, it sounds like incompatibility
between the new and the old method of handling disks. Perhaps the HD Plus
software had to take a few liberties to do its stuff? Do the old-format
disks work in other Macs? If not, the problem is probably in the disks, not
your SE's hardware. Could you run Norton over the disks on another Mac?

3. General question - does anyone else use any of Applied
Engineering's products? If so, how have they worked for you?

The 25MHz Transwarp SE was MacUser's best buy (4.5 mice) back in '92 -
almost seven times faster than a standard SE. It listed at $1,700 here in
the UK! Guess your Transwarp 1430 is a later version.

I have a 512k that I want to press into service as a kitchen computer, you
know, call up favorite recipies, etc. To do this, I would like to set up
a small localtalk network in my apartment. Now the question: is there some
way (not too expensive!) that I can use one of my other Macs (Quadra 800
and Plus with external HD) as a fileserver for the 512k? I have an
external 800 floppy drive for it, but would like the recipe database to
be expandable beyond one floppy capacity. Any suggestions?

Greetings!

You know you're a Macintosh Old-Fart when you remember:
1. Switcher

Yup. Was thrilled that I could 'switch' between 3 different
programs too. :)

2. Disk-swapping

Remember that all-too-well. Ugh!

3. Upgrading to a Fat Mac, and being blown away by all that RAM!
4. MiniFinder

Yup.

5. Using MacPaint for the first time!

My very first typesetting project was a 2-sided tri-fold brochure.
All in MacPaint. :)

6. 400K floppies

Got 'em. :)

7. The "whirr" of the original floppy drive

Yup. Can still tell when it finds a bad disk by the sound of the
'whirr' too. :)

8. The OS, MacPaint and MacWrite all on one 400K floppy
9. Macintosh File System
10. Typing ugly documents with 73 fonts/styles, and thinking
they looked good.

Yup.

11. Playing Dark Castle

Still got it. :) Have the old 'MacGolf' too.

12. The amazing speed and power of the Mac II
13. The even more amazing speed of the Mac IIfx

Well, I was really more impressed with the SE/30 then the Mac II.
Thought it was a speed demon. :) Also remember when the IIfx came
out, thinking 'Gee, how much faster can these things get?' :-)

14. Charts telling you which versions of Finder, System and
other programs worked best together on which machines

Ah well, guess I'm an ol' Mac fart. :)

-- George
-- Sent using Online Servant 1.36

On Tue, 14 Jan 97 22:12:11 -0500, Hitz wrote:

So, I tried to install 7.5 from my original disks. I followed the
installation instructions, including running Disk Tools to see if the
drive was OK (it was) but when I tried to install 7.5 the machine froze
on the first floppy (there are seven). Thinking it was the floppy, I ran

For some reason, I had that problem on several different machines when
trying to install 7.5 the "recommended" way, ie by booting from the
first disk. I solved it by installing 7.1 on the hard drive first, then
booting from the hard drive, putting in the first disk of 7.5, and
running the Installer.

Since you already have a System on the machine, try booting from the
HDD and run the Installer off the first Sys 7.5 disk.....

I tried this suggestion and it indeed worked. Thanks for the tip!

Tom Mabry

But my point was not that Apple didn't include the driver for my CD ROM
player, but rather that Apple's attitude is that if you don't have an
_Apple_ CD ROM player you can't install the OS from the CD.

I think the word "can't" is a little strong. The party line is
"reccomend", which is a whole world of difference from "can't".

although when I called Apple and asked if there was any reason for not
using this procedure the (Japanese) service rep just said, "We can't recommend
it...."

Isn't this attitude analogous to saying "If you don't have an Apple
printer you can't print your Mac files."? or "If you don't have an Apple
hard disc, you can't store your Mac files."? ad infinitum?
According to all the talking heads in the business world, it was this
exclusivity mentality that got Apple into fiscal and market share trouble
in the first place.

No. It's analogous to saying "If you don't have an *Apple* cd-rom,
we won't give you tech support for your cd-rom". For the same reason
McDonald's says not to spill hot coffee on your lap or you may burn
yourself. Some idiot out there would definitely call sos-appl, ask for
help on booting from his non-apple cd-rom, and then get bent because
apple *didn't* include the driver for his el cheapo made in Ukraine
cd-rom. It's the same as every other computer maker-verify that your
equipment works, then pass it on to the next guy if your equipment
performs ok. I don't see any way around it either...except a single
company monopoly, and I think that's bad for competition.

Hi. I have just replaced a burnt out 9"crt in a Mac SE but now I am
having a display problem. The machine boots up with the normal desktop
dimly visible under this interference pattern. It is not solved by
adjustment of the four pots on the side analog board. It is a gray
background with very thin bright white horizontal lines going accross
the screen at a slight angle in a zig-zag fashion. I'm told that these
are called scan lines and normally are adjusted by the brightness
controls on the analog board, but if that fails, then one of the
resistors on that board is at fault. Now I may need to know which
resistor(s) to replace.Also, I'm wondering if the problem could be on
the little video board that clips on to the back of the crt.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Brian Udashkin

I'm trying to connect a Mac Plus (4mb) to the Internet for a friend, and
I'd like to know what versions of MacTCP and PPP work with System 7.1 w/
Update 3.0.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Jason Ramsey
Dallas, TX

Hi all,

My Mac Classicis a B/W running System 7, 4MB RAM, 20MB HD;
I have 2 questions

1. is it possible to use an external monitor to get color? If so, what I
need to upgrade my Mac.

2. is there a shareware browser that works on this system and
where to download it?

Any help is very highly appreciated.

Terry

Does anyone know where I can order a battery for my MacPlus online? I can't
seem to find one locally. Thanks.

Todd:

I certainly sounds like a RAM problem. I have a Mac IIci, among other
Macs and have attacked this problem as follows:

There are 8 slots for simms in the CI, there is no on-board RAM.
One of the Simms is bad, or

They need to be reseated (this sometimes happens when systems are moved
or banged around).

To reseat the simms, remove them one at a time, without touching the
contacts, and reinstall, ensuring they are seated completely and snapped
into place. If this doesn't solve the problem, you have to determine
which simm is bad.

Simm rules for that machine call for each bank (A and B) of 4 slots to
be full or empty (w/same capacity simms). Empty the B bank and try. If
you still have the problem, one of the simms in the A bank is bad. If it
works, one of the simms you removed is bad (If it doesn't work one of
the simms in the A bank is bad, follow same procedure). By placing the
four removed simms in the machine one at a time (replacing one of the
known good ones), you will discover which simm is causing the problem.
That's the one to replace.

Good luck,

John B.