Table of Contents for this issue:

RE: Classic Macs Digest 2.5
Mac Plus as an Alarm Clock
Classic II Monitor Replacement
classic II D.O.A.??
Mac II power on problem
Re: Mac Classic II CRT
Re: Page Set Up Eudora v.1.5.5
mac2 battery
qume printer
More web istes
Re: Brainstorm for Plus!
Re: Subject: SE/30 won't boot from HD
FW: Classic Macs Digest 2.5
modems on old macs
Hacking Apple's HD SC Set up 7.3.5 ?
re : Brainstorm for Plus!
plus and ethernet
Classic HD post
Phone Cable Network
No font names

Subject: Classic II Monitor Replacement
Sent: 2/4/97 7:43 PM
Received: 2/5/97 10:44 AM
From: Mark Bauer
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Greetings to the list. I have a Classic II which I really like, but I
"popped" the monitor while installing memory.

some of the late model Mac Classics used the same eveything execpt the
motherboard. You can ID these by the cover over the Classic II Mic input
hole, and I think they had speaker holes on the side. If you can find
one cheap you could just swap the motherboard over, or use the Classic
Tube and Power supply.

PBJ

Subject: Old Mac Systems
Sent: 2/4/97 9:40 PM
Received: 2/5/97 10:44 AM
From: Tony Spinetta
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Leif

I want to post system 1.1, and any other versions I can get (except 7.5.
Support good ol' Apple and BUY IT!) along with pics of these macs. I want system info, EVERYTHING.

Apple will allow you to post any system fom 1.0 to 7.0.1 and all of the
Upgrades. They won't be real happy about 7.1, but it's pretty old now.
The Apple Mag called DEVELOP had a complete collection of US systems on
Iss 6(?) from 1.0 to 7.0. I also believe that you can get the mags on
back issue from APDA.

PBJ

Subject: Mac Plus ext. HD SUMMARY TO DATE
Sent: 2/3/97 11:10 PM
Received: 2/5/97 10:44 AM
From: Bret Alan Fessenden
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Well,

I still cannot get the 20SC external HD that I have to work with my Mac
Plus. Only one person responded with the suggestion to check the FUSE on
the HD, which I cannot find.

You may need to have a SCSI terminator or two on the SCSI bus. If you
tried to format the HD on the Plus without it you may have curupted the
driver software on the HD. The Plus had diffferent SCSI to the rest of
the Mac family, it runs slower apart from a few other things. The Apple
HD formatter provides very little info and it may be an Idea to try a
3rd party product like HDT toolkit. Don't disconnect the drive while the
computer is on.

PBJ

Subject: Mac Classic II CRT
Sent: 2/5/97 1:28 PM
Received: 2/5/97 11:35 AM
From: Mark Bauer
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Greetings Mac types!

I'm trying to get a new CRT for my Classic II, and wondered if any of
y'all had done this? Any advice, sources, etc?

Also, I found this info:

From the Apple Tech Support pages:

ALWAYS discharge the Macintosh CRT to the "GROUND LUG" (as described in
Macintosh Technical Procedures) of the Macintosh.

Just a metal tag mounted on the chassis near the power supply. I have
seen many Macs that have the position marked, but only have a screw to
hold the Earth wire from the power supply.

PBJ

Hello!

I have a Plus here, with 4mb of RAM and no hard disk. I'm in need of an
alarm clock and since the machine is wonderfully quiet, I was thinking
about ways to use it as such. I'm looking for some software that would
be a bit more tricked out than apple's Alarm Clock DA. Is there any such
thing?

PS- For you PowerBook owners in the New York City area: Incredible
Universe is going out of business and they currently have PowerBook
Wetsuits for about $15.75 each. All four versions, for the 100, the
140-180c, the duo's and the newer machines. Protect your classic
Powerbook! Just take the bus to IKEA from midtown, the IU is in Jersey.

-Erick

On Wed, 5 Feb 97 23:29:46 -0500, cmpost wrote:

(!) I have a lot of glassblowing experience. The small nub on the back
at the connector sheared off. I figured I could stick a tube to it, then
flush the tube by alternating nitrogen and vacuum, then evacuate it and
seal. Sounds simple, eh?

No 8-) You can't evacuate the tube to a high enough vacuum, and I doubt
that you can seal the tube effectively enough to maintain it anyway.
Thermionics are flushed with pure oxygen, evacuated with high-vacuum
equipment at the factory, then they are "flashed"; there is a strip of
an extremely reactive compound placed in the tube before sealing
(sorry, I don't know the composition, phosphorus maybe?) which gobbles
up all the free oxygen in the tube and brings it to pretty near perfect
vacuum.

CRTs are also made from pre-stressed glass, which is a very different
breed of cat from the sort of glass which artwork and household
utensils use. Start tinkering with it and heating it and all of a
sudden your tube will disintegrate into a handful of fragments.

Unfortunately, I tried to swap in a monitor from an old Plus. All the
connections were the same with the exception of the connector to the
power board. I spliced my connector to the Plus monitor, matching wire
colors. Fired it up, but saw smoke from the power board after a few
seconds. =:^O

Oh, no. Please, no! As I read this, you put the Classic II motherboard
into a Plus chassis. It's NO better than 50/50 that the motherboard
itself is still working, probably worse odds in fact.

time? What computer monitors are compatible for a swap? I could get an
old Classic or SE or SE/30...

You should in theory be able to swap in a CRT from any of those
machines. HOWEVER, the analog boards from the SE and SE/30 are
definitely NOT the same as that in the Classic II. I don't know about
the Classic because I haven't seen inside one.

If I inherited this machine, my course of action would be :

* Determine if mobo is still functional - if not, abandon the lot
* Assuming you haven't tinkered with the Classic II's chassis,
put the mobo back in there
* Cannibalize a CRT from one of the other machines. If the connector
that goes to the analog board from the yoke doesn't match, trace
back
the wires and work out which one goes to which pin of the yoke.

It looks like you have FRIED the power supply when
installing the CPU from the Plus..
When raiding parts from earlier dead vintage macs,one should
always leave mac pluses alone (unless you have one to repair)
nine times outta ten SE's, SE-30's,and Classics,will pretty
much feed each other in regards to PARTS needs..for example,
the analog board,power supply for the SE,will interchange with
the SE-30,with no problems..
when repairing vintage macs,there are no quick fixes to many
problems.and it helps to have PINA'S book along to help guide..
it's 30 dollars well spent...
As for the classic II,it looks like both the CPU and power supply
will have to be replaced..

Nican

I have a Mac II with a 21" Radius color monitor, 20/220 configuration,
and a 50 mhz '030 Daystar accelerater. My question is this: the power
key on my keyboard needs to be hit a few times to turn my machine on.

I have a IIvx and this is normal. The power-on key is polled very slowly
so you have to hit it for a full second.

From the Apple Tech Support pages:

ALWAYS discharge the Macintosh CRT to the "GROUND LUG" (as described in
Macintosh Technical Procedures) of the Macintosh.

Discharging the CRT to the Macintosh chassis will destroy the logic
board! Make sure you follow the saftey precautions for working with the
CRT as described in Macintosh Technical Procedures.

Where is the "Ground Lug" located?

I don't know for sure, but look on and around the power supply. From my
beer-money work on PC hardware, I've found that touching the metal power
supply shield (with the system plugged in) is sufficient to drain all
static charges.

Anyway, if you want a little extra safety, discharge the CRT through a
1 MegOhm resistor (available from the back wall of most Radio Shacks).
You'll need to hold the wire in place for several seconds, as the resistor
limits the amount of current going through the wire. You can use a
straight piece of wire (no resistor) afterwards just to make sure the
job was done.

If you REALLY want to make sure something is grounded, you can do what
I did & drive an 8' copper rod into the ground. Clamp some #4 copper
wire to the rod & run it into your workshop. Drain capacitors, CRTs,
etc. into that.

This also does a great job for keeping the static down -- the room is
carpeted but I've never gotten a stray "zap" even in the dead of winter.

Larry Kollar

Vicotr,

Do a "Save As" on each classic-mac digest and then import into your favorite
word processor. If your wp is set up for a left margin, then the digests
should have one when imported. You might need to clean things up a bit on
each digest, due to formatting used by various posters, but it should not take
long.

Regards,

Bob Eye

Subject: Page Set Up Eudora V.1.5.1
Sent: 2/4/97 2:02 AM
Received: 2/5/97 10:42 AM
From: Victor Soleman
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Folks,
I want to keep the Classic Mac (after printing) in a nice binder as a
valuable reference.

However, when I tried to print on A4 paper through HP Desk Writer 320 from
PB520 the margin was too close to the left.
If I punch two holes for the binder, they will certainly cut the text.
Anybody has a trick/solution to avoid this problem.
Thanks,
Victor

JBOWRA wrote:
I have a Mac II ...I have heard that a bad clock
battery would cause the keyboard problem, but I didn't think
that was true of the hard power switch. I have not tried
swapping the batteries as I don't feel like taking the
soldering iron out.

Before you grab a soldering iron you should grab a voltmeter to see what
the batteries are putting out. One is usually weaker than the other (B-2),
but if either is below or getting close to 3.1 you should replace it.
Whether it solves your switch problem or not, it will avert future problems
elsewhere.
george

Steven M. Alper asked:
I have a venerable ol' Qume CrystalPrint Publisher - at one point a
fairly popular LED printer. Unfortunately, although when it
prints it prints well, it is having severe difficulties moving
paper. Anybody have any ideas where I might be able to get it
repaired?

This printer is based on a Casio LCS-130 engine so if you can't find a Qume
dealer you might try a Casio dealer. Frankly I don't think these printers
are worth putting much money into which is what you might have to do given
their obscurity and old age.
george

I just thought I would post a couple web site that might be of interest to
list members.

The first is "McOrphan - Macintosh System 6 Users Area." Includes infor on
used-Mac sources and repair/self help resources.

http://home1.gte.net/mcorphan/

The second is "Macintosh Freeze & Crash troubleshooting Tips."

http://www.zplace.com/crashtips/

The first site is very informative. I hope you never need the second one (but
stop by for a look)! BTW I am not associated with either site or the persons
involved in the sites.

Happy Mac-ing!

Regards,

Bob Eye

Subject: Brainstorm for Plus!
Sent: 2/4/97 1:07 PM
Received: 2/5/97 10:43 AM
From: Michael Jardeen
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Yes I still have a Plus that is doing just fine.

I have a chance to get a Brainstorm Accelerator for only $24.95 (sounds
good). The only thing is that I know nothing about it. I do know that you
were supposed to send the board into them and they would put it together
for you. Here are my questions:

1. Just what is it and how fast is it?

not sure but I know it' relly fast

2. Is that a great price?

I believe they sell the card for $140 more or less

3. How do you install it and can I do it myself?

You need a special tool available from Brainstorm

Always Apple!, Michael

Cheers
LF

Hi.

I've just had a similar problem when I tried to install the
Silverlining driver on my Powerbook drive: after a few boots, the
powerbook would not see the drive, and flash the diskette icon.

I discovered I could boot from the hard disk if I held the shift key at
startup.

I eventually could not even get the diskette icon, and had to do that
funky monoever command-shift-option-delete key combination to coerce the
powerbook to boot from a diskette.

After much fumbling and some panic after I even got the chimes of doom,
I finally removed the SCSI probe extension I had, and things appear to
work OK now.

P.O.

Subject: Classic II Monitor Replacement
Sent: 2/4/97 7:43 PM
Received: 2/5/97 10:44 AM
From: Mark Bauer
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Greetings to the list. I have a Classic II which I really like, but I
"popped" the monitor while installing memory.

some of the late model Mac Classics used the same eveything execpt the
motherboard. You can ID these by the cover over the Classic II Mic input
hole, and I think they had speaker holes on the side. If you can find
one cheap you could just swap the motherboard over, or use the Classic
Tube and Power supply.

PBJ

Leif wrote:

I want to post system 1.1, and any other versions I can get (except 7.5.
Support good ol' Apple and BUY IT!)
along with pics of these macs. I want system info, EVERYTHING.

Apple will allow you to post any system fom 1.0 to 7.0.1 and all of the
Upgrades. They won't be real happy about 7.1, but it's pretty old now.
The Apple Mag called DEVELOP had a complete collection of US systems on
Iss 6(?) from 1.0 to 7.0. I also believe that you can get the mags on
back issue from APDA.

PBJ

Subject: Mac Plus ext. HD SUMMARY TO DATE
Sent: 2/3/97 11:10 PM
Received: 2/5/97 10:44 AM
From: Bret Alan Fessenden
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Well,

I still cannot get the 20SC external HD that I have to work with my Mac
Plus. Only one person responded with the suggestion to check the FUSE on
the HD, which I cannot find.

You may need to have a SCSI terminator or two on the SCSI bus. If you
tried to format the HD on the Plus without it you may have curupted the
driver software on the HD. The Plus had diffferent SCSI to the rest of
the Mac family, it runs slower apart from a few other things. The Apple
HD formatter provides very little info and it may be an Idea to try a
3rd party product like HDT toolkit. Don't disconnect the drive while the
computer is on.

PBJ

Subject: Mac Classic II CRT
Sent: 2/5/97 1:28 PM
Received: 2/5/97 11:35 AM
From: Mark Bauer
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Greetings Mac types!

I'm trying to get a new CRT for my Classic II, and wondered if any of
y'all had done this? Any advice, sources, etc?

Also, I found this info:

From the Apple Tech Support pages:

ALWAYS discharge the Macintosh CRT to the "GROUND LUG" (as described in
Macintosh Technical Procedures) of the Macintosh.

Just a metal tag mounted on the chassis near the power supply. I have
seen many Macs that have the position marked, but only have a screw to
hold the Earth wire from the power supply.

PBJ

Does anybody know the fastest modem that can be used on a Plus, SE and SE/30?

Thanks

JAG

Has anybody used the patch
at:<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/hdpatch.html>, which I linked to
from:<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/patch.html> to use Apple's HD SC
7.3.5 on any make of SCSI hard drive? I downloaded the patch but I'm having
second thoughts about running the patched 7.3.5 hard drive formatter.

Bo

PGP Public Key available at <http://ns1.inet.net/~bschnick>

Yes I still have a Plus that is doing just fine.

I have a chance to get a Brainstorm Accelerator for only $24.95 (sounds
good). The only thing is that I know nothing about it. I do know that you
were supposed to send the board into them and they would put it together
for you. Here are my questions:

I have upgraded my Plus in 92 with this accelerator after reading a positive review in MacWeek. Most important : it is really VERY compatible with all software I've used, no incompatibilities whatsoever. And I was and still am a "poweruser". My brainstormed Plus is/was running French System 7.1, with all the same apps I used with my PB100 (Word 4, Excel 3, WriteNow 3, HyperCard 2, games like Tetris or Bomber 2, CW 2, Panorama 2.1, PowerPrint 1.0, etc...). Caveat : I have never used a fast modem with it. Peripherals : 2 external HD (Apple HD20SC and APS Quantum PD210S), IW2, Canon BJ10e).

1. Just what is it and how fast is it?

It is a 68LCOOO (low power consumption 68000, as in my PB100) running at 16Mhz. But the trick is that Brainstorm also provides a new bus clock, up to 16Mhz. It was the only upgrade maker to go this way, a very clever and sensible approach since upgrading to a 33Mhz 68030 with a bus still at 8Mhz does not gives that much acceleration. According to Brainstorm it speeds up a Plus by 2.5 times, making it nearly equivalent to a Mac II or LC. I have never compared but my brainstormed Plus in daily use was at least equivalent to my PB100 (16Mhz 68000).

2. Is that a great price?

Used to sell for $200 :-). I would pay $25, but take care to have all he components (from memory : 68LC000, 16Mhz bus clock, processor socket, and last but not least Brainstorm INIT 2.1)

3. How do you install it and can I do it myself?

Real tricky and delicate. Did it with a friend used to soldering and able to concentrate well (he's a fighter pilot!).

From memory :

1- unsolder 8Mhz bus clock from motherboard (4 pins) and solder in place new 16Mhz bus clock.

2- solder processor socket on top of 68000/8Mhz processor. Difficult : you have to solder all 64 pins of the socket to all 64 pins going out of the old processor to the motherboard.

3- easy : plug the new processor in its socket.

4- Use Brainstorm Install diskette

5- restart

6- apply cute Brainstorm sticker on your Plus :-)

I have seen on this list (?) that Braisntorm have sold their rights and inventory to Sun Remarketing (they have a web site).

To sum up : if you can get some competent help to install, don't miss the opportunity, it will double your speed!

Hope it helps

Can anyone tell me is there a way to use ethernet with a Mac Plus? I
would appreciate any help. Thanks,

Doug

I had a similar problem with a IIsi. (100 mg HD Original equipment)
Though I never did cure the problem, I did find a work-around. It seemed
that the CPU was looking for the drive before it was completely spun up
and ready, so I put a floppy disk in before starting, and the delay it caused,
(because the Mac looks there first for a start-up system folder), appeared to
give the old drive time to catch-up to the speedy new OS. (7.5.3). One time,
nothing would work, so I wacked the box hard out of frustration. It worked.

These days I simply never shut it down.

Its running as web server and doing fine at www.web-brothers.com.
I hope something here helps. Try giving the hard drive a head start.
It might work as well for you as it did for me.

Subject: SE/30 won't boot from HD
From: Alex Shelamoff
After reformatting it and installing system software, I installed it
inside the SE/30. The *new drive* booted O.K. but before removing
it, the *old drive* was in its *functional* state also. However, after a
week, perhaps a little longer, of it being left unstarted the *new
drive* wouldn't boot just like the *old* one.

I have a Mac Plus I would like to use in my kitchen and network to a Performa
575 located in an upstairs's bedroom. I understand one can network using the
existing house telephone wiring. Can anyone tell me how to do this. What kind
of special connectors are needed and where to get them. Will this interfere
with the telephone in any way?

Thanks
bob_gilbert

I have a Mac LC III and don't know if I qualify being in this group as a
"Classic", but I'm having a little trouble with my Clarisworks right now
on the word processor. When I pull down the Fonts menu I get a vertical
line running the length of the screen, no font names at all.
Has anybody ever experienced this?
Thanks in advance.
Jack Waller