Table of Contents for this issue:

SE/30 video card
HB boot problems saga
Hacking Apple's™ HD SC Set up 7.3.5 ?
Re: Hacking Apple's™ HD SC Set up
Color Quickdraw
SE with 1mm stripe on monitor
Mac SE/30 OS
Local modem use fees !
Re: Hacking Apple's™ HD SC Set up 7.3.5 ?
Re: Hacking Apple's™ HD SC Set up
Re: SE/30 won't boot from HD
Re: CMD 2.5 (Galaxy Hardware)
Mac IIsi
Radius Rocket
free copy of system 6.0.8
mac plus as an alarm clock

I have a Micron Exceed 3mt vidoe card in my SE/30. I do not use it and a
local Mac store is interested in buying it. It supports 640 by 480 resolution
at 256 colors, Mac RGB. What would be a fair price?

neongooch

Oops!....

I spoke too fast, regarding my previous post:
Even though I reformatted my drive with Disk Manager Mac, I still have
the same problems.... Things now point to a possibly corrupted System
file. (I run system 7.1 , upgrade 3). I also have the suspicion this
problem comes back when the date changes.

All this began in an attempt to have my PowerBook drive spin down when
the AC adapter is plugged in (which it never ever does, no matter what I
set in the "Powerbook" control panel). Anybody have something to share
on this?

P.O.

Has anybody used the patch
at:<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/hdpatch.html>, which I linked to
from:<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/patch.html> to use Apple's HD SC
7.3.5 on any make of SCSI hard drive? I downloaded the patch but I'm having
second thoughts about running the patched 7.3.5 hard drive formatter.

Bo

Yes, I used it on a couple of 3d party drives. It worked fine on one, but
didn't recognize the other. No harm done either way.

Subject: Hacking Apple's™ HD SC Set up 7.3.5 ?
Sent: 2/7/97 3:59 AM
Received: 2/7/97 6:12 PM
From: Bo Schnick
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Has anybody used the patch
at:<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/hdpatch.html>, which I linked to
from:<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/patch.html> to use Apple's HD SC
7.3.5 on any make of SCSI hard drive? I downloaded the patch but I'm having
second thoughts about running the patched 7.3.5 hard drive formatter.

I've used this patch on mt 10/80 Color Classic running system 7.5.5 (with 4 lines of extensions) and it seems perfectly safe EXCEPT: -It has crashed on occasion when returning to the main dialog from the partition dialog when I've used it on a zip drive. This crash did not mes anything up, it just meant that the program had to be quit. As far as formatting/driver quality, I've had no problems.

That said, the result will probably differ depending upon your machine configuration, and the type of drive you're trying to use it with.

Hope this helps!

From: Chris Adams
Anyone want to write a Color QuickDraw emulator for black & white Macs? :)

Apple does ! Its called 32-bit quickdraw. Its an extention for older Macs
that don't have color quickdraw in ROM (such as the Plus and Mac 2). It comes
with system 6.0.7 and 6.0.8 (on the printing tools disk) and can also be
found seperatly for system 7 users. Of course it doesn't give the plus color
but some programs need it for screen draw even in B&W.

From: jbowra

Another question:
I have a SE that displays a 1mm vertical stripe in the middle
of the screen. The machine boots fine otherwise. I thought it
might be cracked solder like someone talked about on Pluses,
but my skills are not in this area. If this is what the problem is, would
someone please (I would be eternally grateful)
e-mail me some good instructions.

This problem effects all the baby Macs, so I'll post the basics. If you are
not good soldering then you can take this small piece out and take it to
someone who is experienced. It is not to hard (no chips close to the work),
and does not require soldering inside the Mac. Open up the back of the Mac
and unplug the small board (this board is called the flyback) or conecter
(depending on model) on the back of the tube from the Macs analog board and
back of tube. Be sure to pull strait back on the tube with little wiggling to
avoid breaking the tube seal as its in the center between the pins. The plug
on the analog board has a small lock you have to push in to unplug. The four
wires you need to solder are the ones that go from the board to the back of
the tube, at the tube side. They are fairly close together where they attach
to the flyback on small metal tabs so a small soldering iron and some skill
are needed. WARNING - the wire running to the side of the tube and the round
item on the analog board right next to where that wire attaches to it contail
lots of voltage, keep fingers back from them and don't ground then to the
chassis of you Mac.

From: Clifton M. Buell

Which is the best OS for the SE30?

I prefer system 6.0.7, over 6.0.8 because the system 6 chooser devices are
faster then the system 7 ones on 6.0.8, you would want 6.0.8 if you plan to
share a printer with a system 7 Mac.

If you don't mind a slower startup or need system 7 for compatiblity with
software then I'd say system 7.1 is the way to go. Be sure to install system
update 3.0 and also grab the 32 bit enabler to allow access to more than
8megs of ram (the SE/30 is not 32-bit clean). The last system supported for
the SE/30 is system 7.5.5.

Write do disaprove any local phone co fees for modems at isp@fcc.gov. They
are currently considering imposing these fees and I'm sure they would be
passed on to us as modem users. Our service providers already pay for their
phone lines to give us local numbers to call to connect. Allowing these fees
to be added means they would be getting paid twice for this phone service,
once by our providers and again by us. It would limit access to the newest
way to take advantage of our freedom of speach and obtain information.

At 2:58 PM -0500 2/8/97, Michael Blazer wrote:

Yes, I used it on a couple of 3d party drives. It worked fine on one, but
didn't recognize the other. No harm done either way.

Mike, thanks for the email. BTW, I've been using CharisMac's Anubis 2.54S
formatter and utility on both IBM and Quantum SCSI drives. ClubMac, the
retailer, supplied it in the hard drives that I ordered from them. It has
been working for me. But looking at the benchmarks it seems that Apple's HD
SC set up gives you just alittle faster hard drive specs, but I think the
benchmarks were done on an Apple drive, which usually are Quantums, aren't
they? If you want a copy let me know I'll attach it to an email.

The interesting thing about the benchmarks data was that it looked like all
of the formatters were equal in providing format and drivers speed. The
only slower one was version 3.0 of the Apple SC set up.

Here's another email that I got about the hacked/patched HD SC set up:

Has anybody used the patch
at:<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/hdpatch.html>, which I linked to
from:<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/patch.html> to use Apple's HD SC
7.3.5 on any make of SCSI hard drive? I downloaded the patch but I'm having
second thoughts about running the patched 7.3.5 hard drive formatter.

I've used this patch on mt 10/80 Color Classic running system 7.5.5 (with 4
lines of extensions) and it seems perfectly safe EXCEPT: -It has crashed on
occasion when returning to the main dialog from the partition dialog when
I've used it on a zip drive. This crash did not mes anything up, it just
meant that the program had to be quit. As far as formatting/driver
quality, I've had no problems.

That said, the result will probably differ depending upon your machine
configuration, and the type of drive you're trying to use it with.

Hope this helps!

At 12:06 PM -0800 2/8/97, Andrew Ludgate wrote:

I've used this patch on mt 10/80 Color Classic running system 7.5.5 (with
4 lines of extensions) and it seems perfectly safe EXCEPT: -It has crashed
on occasion when returning to the main dialog from the partition dialog
when I've used it on a zip drive. This crash did not mes anything up, it
just meant that the program had to be quit. As far as formatting/driver
quality, I've had no problems.

That said, the result will probably differ depending upon your machine
configuration, and the type of drive you're trying to use it with.

Hope this helps!

Andrew, thanks for the email. I've been using the CharisMac Anubis V2.54S
formatter that I got from ClubMac with the IBM and Quantum SCSI drives I
bought from them. If you wanna copy let me know and I'll attach it to a
message. Have you seen any good benchmark info pages on different
formatters for Apple drives?

Thanks,
Bo

Here's another email I got, thought you'd wanna see it:

Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 14:58:10 -0500
To: cmpost <classic-post@hitznet.com
From: m.blazer
Subject: Hacking Apple's™ HD SC Set up 7.3.5 ?

Has anybody used the patch
at:<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/hdpatch.html>, which I linked to
from:<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/patch.html> to use Apple's HD SC
7.3.5 on any make of SCSI hard drive? I downloaded the patch but I'm having
second thoughts about running the patched 7.3.5 hard drive formatter.

Bo

Yes, I used it on a couple of 3d party drives. It worked fine on one, but
didn't recognize the other. No harm done either way.

PGP Public Key available at <http://ns1.inet.net/~bschnick>

I eventually could not even get the diskette icon, and had to do that
funky monoever command-shift-option-delete key combination to coerce the
powerbook to boot from a diskette.

Huh? You shouldn't need to do this to boot from a floppy. The Mac
checks the floppy first for a startup device, then goes to pram for one.
If the device stored in pram isn't any good, it will try all scsi devices
from 6-0 in that order, then check for a nubus, then flash the ? icon.
But if a floppy with a decent system is found, the mac will start from it
before anything else. Incidentally, this is one way to run multiple
systems on the same mac. I've got a Duo 230 with an internal 1.2 gig scsi
in the dock, and the pram sends the cpu to scsi id 6 (internal 1.2gig)
for startup. This disk has 7.6 on it. The internal in the powerbook
itself is an 80 with 7.5.5 (for the smaller size), and the powerbook goes
there if it can't find scsi id 6. I suppose in theory one could have
several different drives and run all the different system versions on the
same cpu-an 030 such as an SE/30. One more reason to get a classic mac...
;-)

Re: ZOZTek's post about Galaxy (quoted below). I took a look, and sure
enough, they have a website too. As some of us may have discerned, the URL
is:
http://www.galaxyhp.com
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^ this info may be of interest ^

to Classic Macs readers

Subject: Galaxy
Sent: 2/5/97 4:56 PM
Received: 2/5/97 10:40 PM
From: ZOZTek
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

The company called Galaxy Hardware Publishers is one you should know! They
are one of the largest and most comprehensive supporters of Classic Macs,
from parts to systems. Their knowledge of accelerators and upgrades is
clear and accurate. Can't find something? They have the best shot at
getting it. Good service, low prices. Get a catalog on disk. I don't work for them,
but wish I did. I have done business with them for years.

Galaxy Hardware Publishers
1663 Willamette St
Eugene, OR 97401
800-366-2234
sales@galaxyhp.com
create@netwalk.com

I'm looking for a "beginner" computer for my almost 5-yr.-old
granddaughter. I'm also very cheap. A recent ad in our local paper has a
Mac IIsi (with external CD) listed for $200 so the price is right! We have
our old LC II set up for her at our house and she seems very content with
it (I justify its slow pace as teaching her patience.) I understand that
the IIsi has the same processor as the LC II, but wonder if there are other
advantages, disadvantages. I assume it has color and would be about the
same size as the LCII, but that's just a guess. Any information would be
appreciated.
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Gina Wallace
Topsham, Maine
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Does anyone out there have any expierence with a Radius Rocket (33mhz
040)?

I have a chance to buy one cheap but I have no idea if it will work in
my IIvx or if I am going to have to buy extra memory for it. The spec
sheet says it requires 8mb of ram but doesnt say if that is ram on the
system board or additional ram that must be placed on the card. Also,
since it has 8 SIMM slots, do I have to add 8 like SIMMS or can I add
them one at a time?

Thanks

Rob Sholl

I have system 6.0.8 on 800K disks I'm willing to send someone for
free....Just mail me a self addressed padded envelope with enough postage for
four 800K floppy disks. I made this up for someone and they didn't get back
to me.
James Kelly
504 Suffield Drive
Gaithersburg, MD 20878

Erick,

The Mac Plus is wonderfully quiet because it has no cooling fan, as I'm
sure you know. It also gets wonderfully hot for the same reason, enough to
be a fire hazard if left unattended for long periods of time. I used to
leave my SE and SE/30 on for days at a time, but the fan in these keeps the
case cool to the touch.

The only monitor or CRT I would ever leave on unattended would be one with
cooling or the new Energy Star compliance which powers them off after an
interval of non-use.

You might be able to find an old System Saver or similar Mac Plus external
cooling fan, but it won't be as quiet or as cheap as a regular alarm clock.

John Holloway

Subject: Mac Plus as an Alarm Clock

Sent: 2/6/97 2:55 AM
Received: 2/7/97 6:11 PM
From: Erick Dietrich
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I have a Plus here, with 4mb of RAM and no hard disk. I'm in need of
an alarm clock and since the machine is wonderfully quiet, I was
thinking about ways to use it as such.