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[macwiz] Internal HD, SE/30
Help with Plus
macintosh display card 8*24
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.13
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.13
IIsi Monitor Problems
RE: Classic Macs Digest 2.13
Re: macintosh display card 8€24
Re: SE/30
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.13
Re: Mac Plus questions
A 128/512Ke Online
RE: Chooser question
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.13
Memory for SE
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.13
what speed simms?
www-clients for 68000 macs & related info

(Cross posted to MacWizards and Classic Macs)

Hi again. My old SE/30 is still chugging along!

I have recently acquired the correct mounting bracket for the internal hard
drive. It has 2 mounting points, 1) with the drive close to the front of the
machine (and thus closer to the monitor) and 2) with the drive about 3 inches
further back.

Problems:
If I mount the drive in position 1, I get screen interference when the drive
accesses, which is sort of annoying. Will this harm the monitor or analog
board in any way?

If I mount the drive in position 2, I cannot install the connector plate and
harness for my Xceed video card, because the drive is too close to the rear.

I don't quite have the monitor to run off the Xceed, but soon.....
Once that monitor is up and running, I won't be as concerned about internal
monitor shake, as long as there will be no damage caused.

Has anyone ever "shielded" the end of the internal drive with aluminum foil
to prevent this display interference? Should I attempt it? Am I nuts?

Thanks again, all you Wizards and Retro-Grouches!
Brian Scarborough

I have a mac plus with 4mb ram and would really like to add it to my
small ethernet network. Is this possible? I know se's can take a card,
but what about a plus?

Mucho thanks,
DR

i have an apple macintosh display card 8*24 that i am not using. is there
any advantage to using the card in a duo dock to drive my macintosh 16"
display, as opposed to using the built-in video port? thanks.
hilal

It would allow you hook up a second monitor on your internal video. I
use that arrangement and its quite nice to have the browser open on the
color screen running off a card, and my mail window expanded to the full
size of the portrait grayscale runing on the internal video. Its makes
scrolling through my mail, this digest, and others much less tedious.

Subject: what speed simms?
Sent: 2/20/97 12:20 AM
Received: 2/20/97 6:09 PM
From: The Malawi's
To: Classic Macs, classic-post@hitznet.com

are there any advantages to using 70ns 1mb simms in a IIci as opposed to
100ns?

hilal

The IIci prefers 80ns simms, so if you use the 100ns simms the memory will
be slower than it would be if you used the 70ns simms. You wouldn't see
any difference between 70ns and 80ns simms, but there should be a
difference between 70ns and 100ns.

Subject: FreePPP 2.5v2 on IIci
Sent: 2/20/97 12:28 AM
Received: 2/20/97 6:09 PM
From: hilal
To: Classic Macs, classic-post@hitznet.com

i am trying to set up internet connectivity on a decommissioned IIci in
our <windoze> office, running under 7.1. i have downloaded and installed
freeppp 2.5v2. when i launch 'freeppp setup', the 'connect' button is
shaded (un-available), and to the right of it is something like this:
'not installed or selected, make sure freeppp is installed and selected,
then restart your mac'. i open the network control panel and re-select
'ppp' (or is it 'macppp') and restart, but that does not help. any ideas
what i may be doing wrong?

by the way, how do i get rid of the ppp pull-down menu which appears in
the finder next to the balloon help menu?

thanks
hilal

If I remember correctly, there should be info on removing the pull-down
menu in the read me file...Either there's an option you can select within
FreePPP or there's an extra extension that got installed, but it's
definitely in the read me somewhere.

As to not being able to connect, make sure the network info is entered in
MacTCP, since you've already said you selected 'MacPPP' in MacTCP...Also
check on whether or not you have the AppleTalk control panel installed.
AppleTalk doesn't need to be turned on, but the control panel has to be
present before a connection will work.

Subject: what speed simms?
Sent: 2/20/97 12:20 AM
Received: 2/20/97 6:09 PM
From: The Malawi's
To: Classic Macs, classic-post@hitznet.com

are there any advantages to using 70ns 1mb simms in a IIci as opposed to
100ns?

hilal

The 70ns ones will work and the 100ns ones won't! The minimum speed for a
IIci is 80ns. 70ns and 80ns simms will work exactly the same in a IIci
(the IIci can't take advantage of the faster simms).

Mike Timlin

I picked up a IIsi with 17mb RAM and 80mb HD and keyboard and mouse for
$75. It has card with 68882 co-processor but it will not fire up a monitor
from the monitor port on the motherboard. It did fire up a monitor with a
video card added to the co-processor board. What's the problem? Are there
only certain monitors the IIsi will work with? Any ideas?

Subject: macintosh display card 8?24
Sent: 2/20/97 12:20 AM
Received: 2/20/97 6:09 PM
From: The Malawi's
To: Classic Macs, classic-post@hitznet.com

i have an apple macintosh display card 8?24 that i am not using. is there
any advantage to using the card in a duo dock to drive my macintosh 16"
display, as opposed to using the built-in video port? thanks.

hilal

yep, you can run two monitors, twice the desk space! You can also get
24bit colour, millions, on the 8.24 card but i think the Dock can only
get 16bit colour, thousands. Put the 16" on the card and get a 12" mono
or 13"RGB and park all of those tool windows and spellcheck dialogs on
the smaller screen.

PBJ

From: The Malawi's

any advantage to using the card in a duo dock to drive my macintosh 16"
display, as opposed to using the built-in video port? thanks.

Maybe. The bigger issue is whether the card is still supported on the
version of the System software you're using. I'd surf over to Apple's Web
site and check out the Tech Info Library. I thought I recall something
about not being able to go past System 7.1 ...

From: Daniel Hopkins

open a Mac 512/Plus or SE before. I remember something about a special
tool for the screws by the handle and something like a pry-bar on the
other end. Any suggestions? Any help would be appreciated.

It's a Torx T-15 fastener; the tricky bit is the length of the shaft you
need to get to the fasteners in the handle. The "pry-bar" you refer to is
commonly known as a "case cracker." You can get tools specifically for
that purpose; I've successfully used a variety of strong pieces of metal.
My favorite case-cracker of all time was an old Compaq PC slot cover!
Without scrounging up tools which will "do", you might be able to order a
set ($15?) from places like MacConnection or Black Box or DataComm
Warehouse; failing that, you could try a Mac-only retailer -- they can at
least tell you where they got theirs.

i am trying to set up internet connectivity on a decommissioned IIci in
our windoze office, running under 7.1. i have downloaded and installed
freeppp 2.5v2. when i launch 'freeppp setup', the 'connect' button is
shaded (un-available), and to the right of it is something like this:
'not installed or selected, make sure freeppp is installed and selected,
then restart your mac'. i open the network control panel and re-select
'ppp' (or is it 'macppp') and restart, but that does not help. any ideas
what i may be doing wrong?

by the way, how do i get rid of the ppp pull-down menu which appears in
the finder next to the balloon help menu?

Sounds as if you have not set up MacTCP correctly or do not have it
installed. It's another control panel which you need to go with FreePPP.
It's part of System 7.5, and you can get it from Apple's www software
updates site. You can also get it in e.g. Adam Engst's Internet Handbook,
and probably several others. Version 2.0.6 is current.

You need to configure MacTCP first, select FreePPP in its menu, then
restart and finish dealing with FreePPP setups. You don't bother with the
Network control panel for this purpose; it's for situations with
computers connected to internal office networks, such as Ethernet,
TCP/IP, or localtalk.

Hello, Bruce,

Subject: Mac Plus questions
Sent: 2/20/97 2:41 PM
Received: 2/20/97 6:09 PM
From: Bruce L. Hollihan
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Hello,

I'm trying to fix up a Mac Plus for my girlfriend. Let me tell you about it:

1. It has 256k RAM. I would like to upgrade it to 4MB. Good sources for RAM?

I would be AMAZED if it has only 256k of RAM. More likely 1 MB RAM in four
256k SIMMs. The Chip Merchant (http://www.thechipmerchant.com) has good
prices on new RAM, but their prices are better on 72 pin SIMMs and higher than
on 30 pin SIMMs. Also, Elephant Memory (http://www.master.net/elephant) has
pretty good 30 pin SIMM prices. There are other places on the WWW that sell
30 pin SIMMs - check around.

If there is a computer flea market or swap meet near you, you should be able
to get used RAM for less. You can use parity RAM, as long as it is 9 chip
(instead of 3 chip). If you buy non-parity RAM (recommended), get 8 chip
instead of 2 chip. The 3 and 2 chip varieties WILL NOT work in a Plus without
MAJOR crashing.

A fellow who sells used computer stuff usually has 1 MB 30 pin SIMMs for about
$8. His name is Tom Spearman, and you can reach him at mactime
bought a used IIci from him and had zero problems in dealing with him.

2. I have seen the MacAddict article about the Mac Plus. It is very good.

There are a couple inaccuracies (not major, but not trivial), but the basics
of the article were correct.

3. A friend has told me that if I'm intrepid enough, I can findsomeone on
the net who will sell me a 100 MB internal hard drive which will workon
the Mac Plus. Any of you out there?

Three main reasons you do not want to put a HD inside a Plus:

1. Power supply is limited as it is. The extra load of an internal HD
WILL fry the supply

2. No internal fan in the Plus will guarantee a heat related failure
with the added thermal load and convection blockage provided by the
internal HD

3. Very limited room in which to mount the HD, and any bracketing you
need has to be kludged

Go with an external HD in the 80-200 MB range. It's amazing how much stuff is
still useable on a Plus. I maxed out my 52 MB HD last summer and had to buy a
165 MB drive just to keep up (I was doing net stuff as well as CW3, Word,
Excel, Quicken, etc.).

4. Is it possible to get it to read double-sided, high-density diskettes?

NO WAY! Actually there are 2 possibilities, neither one is cheap nor easy:

1. Find a Mac-compatable "floptical" drive. These drives were made to
read/write 20 MB optical disks AND 1.4MB floppy disks. Not many
were sold, but they can be found if you are willing to RALLY dig
them out

2. Dayna made an external 1.4MB floppy drive that I believe worked off
of the SCSI port (as opposed to the floppy port. They cost several
hundred dollars when new. They were not extremely popular, either.

There is NO Apple upgrade to take the Plus to a 1.4MB floppy drive. The ROMs
and the SWIM that would be required are not the same pin out/configuration as
the ROMs and IWM that are in the Plus.

5. If I upgrade to sys. 7.1, can I run Norton Utilities on this mac?What
about RamDoubler or SpeedDoubler? Can I install the newest versions of
these 2 programs on the Mac Plus, providing that it's upgraded to 4MBRAM,
100 MB internal HD, sys. 7.1?

No. RamDoubler requires a PMMU chip which the Plus does not, and cannot, use.
I know Speed Doubler does not work on 68000 machines, but I don't know why. As
it is, SD only improves disk accesses and copying on 68030/040 machines; the
speed increase comes on PPC machines, as the 680x0 code emulator in SD is
faster than Apple's.

You CAN run Norton Utilities 2.0 (current version at retail is 3.2.x). It is
still available at used/consignment stores, via the Usenet in
misc.forsale.computer.mac-specific.software group. A place near me (Software
Etc.) in Allen, TX has a number of copies, new in shrinkwrap, for $20.

Your comments will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Bob Eye

"I have no financial interest in any of the products or companies mentioned in
my post."

In CMD 2.3, Tony Spinetta wrote: (Yes, I'm WAY behind in my email)

In response to a few recent queries:

1. The 128K supported modems. From p. 123 of "Macintosh:" "The Apple
modem is avilable with either a 300 or a 300 and 1200 baud rate."

<snip>

If anyone knows where/how to put a 128K online, please inform. Thanks!

I use a 128 that's been upgraded to a 512Ke, to go access my Unix shell
account. I connect at a blistering 2400! ;-)

I used MacTerminal a bit, but I found a copy of QuickLink. QuickLink has
a few more features. One of the nifty features is that I can create
scripts to log on and off. Pretty slick.

Originally, I set it up to show the PC types in the office what I could
do w/ a "toy" of 1984 vintage. Then I used it more and more when my main
machine was tied up w/ something else. I like it! :-) The only real
problem was the 2400, I have to wait for the screen text as I surf
around. Now, I just got a 9600(!) and I can't wait!

I've read somewhere that you can't use MacTCP on a 68000, so this is
"state of the art".

Cheers,

In the message 'Chooser question' Foley, Edward A. states:

My neighbor's LC has the following two quirkies:

1. The printer selection in the Chooser won't persist from session to
session -- every time you turn the machine on, you have to go in and
select the printer again. She's using a HP Deskwriter through the serial
(modem) port.

I have an Original Deskwriter. Running it off the modem port seems odd,
because it can be used as an Appletalk printer (I have shared mine
between a 128K Mac, a MacII and now a PowerCenter). Try using the HP
Appletalk drivers with some Appletalk cabling on the network port. See http://www.hp.com
for the drivers. Networking with AppleTalk over Localtalk cabling is as
easy as buying the Farallon style connectors and RJ-11 phone cable.

[Each time your neighbor uses a modem, terminal program, INIT the modem
port could get re-assigned. The printer driver will get confused.]

2. The machine powers up in black and white, but when you do a restart
through the Finder, it comes on in color as it should.

How do you start the computer without the Finder coming up some time?
[It could be that your neighbor's battery is not working, so the Parameter RAM
is lossing its memory. Have you checked that the clock date and time are
correct between restarts?]

SaS (aka Stuart Schmukler)

PS: The HP Deskwriter is has even a longer life than my 128K Mac -- keep
on printing ...

Is there any place I can d/l a HP driver? Prefer FTP site as am surfing the
internet using E-mail only on an original Mac Classic (2k+40K HD). Will take
a WWW site.

Got to upgrade one of these days<g>.
Thanks--guy

Guy--

I just tried ftp.hp.com on a whim, as it's not mentioned on their website. In
<ftp.hp.com/pub/printers/software> are eight bajillion drivers, but the mac
drivers are just mixed in with everything else. Most seem to be clustered
beginning with "dw."

Marc Bodine
NYC

I recently aquired a Mac SE 1/20 for $25. I am thinking of upgrading
it to 4 meg and I have a question about memory for it. Can I use PC
memory (with parity)? People seem to be giving these simms away
lately. Also, how slow can the memory be for this beast.

Thanks.

Does anyone have any info on where you can find the Xceed video card
mentioned in the latest issue of MacAddict? It is a card for the SE/30.
I have one of these machines and I love it to death! I want to browse
the web on my souped up SE/30 with internal gray scale video!

Please e-mail trmptman with any info or sources you have
for the Xceed videocard for the SE/30.

thanks,
Nicholas Kelly

You posted:

Sent: 2/20/97 12:20 AM
Received: 2/20/97 6:09 PM
From: The Malawi's
To: Classic Macs, classic-post@hitznet.com

are there any advantages to using 70ns 1mb simms in a IIci as opposed to
100ns?

hilal

According to my book "Fix Your Own Mac" by Jan Harrington, you must use SIMMs
that are 80ns or faster (remember the lower the #, the faster the SIMM. 70ns
is faster than 100ns). It isn't a clean 32 bit machine, either, so use Mode
32 extension to increase your memory more than 8megs. According to the book,
your IIci can accept up to 128megs, but it also said the same for my SE/30,
and the SE/30 can only go to 32megs max. 'Course, 32megs should be plenty for
me! You have 2 banks of SIMM slots, four slots per bank. Increase SIMM size 4
at a time (i.e. four 1 meg SIMMs, four 4 meg SIMMS) Don't mix different speed
SIMMs in the same bank.

Good luck,
Brian Scarborough

Update to 68000-mac-faq <http://walli.walli.uwasa.fi/~mhaveri/68000.txt>:

On 68000 macs NCSA Mosaic 1.0.3, MacWeb 1.00A3.2 and v2.0 work. MacWeb
1.00A3.2 works better than v1.1.1 E which crashes when saving prefs. MacWeb
2.0 has more features and understands more HTML tags than v1.00A3.2 but it
is also slower and buggier. NCSA Mosaic 1.0.3 can display in-line GIF
graphics but with MacWeb you must use an external helper (click and hold on
an image icon, choose "Retrieve to Disk" from the pop-up menu and view with
GIFConverter or GIFwatcher DA).

...note that often GIFConverter, when trying to open JPEGs with "millions"
of colors, gives an "out of memory" error on low-memory machines. A
workround is to use JPEG Convert 1.0 to turn the JPEG into a GIF. GIFs are
limited to 256 colours and need less memory to display.

You can turn DAs like GIFwatcher DA into an app with DA Piggyback; this
enables drag 'n drop and automatic launching when used as a (MacWeb 2.0)
helper on System 7. Note that you can't change GIFwatcher's default
settings (including the window size) once the DA has been converted into an
app - you have to set it up the way you want first, then run it through DA
PiggyBack.

With RAM Charger it is possible to squeeze _both_ MacWeb 1.00A3.2 and
GIFConverter to run simultaneously on a 4MB mac.

<ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu//Mac/Mosaic/NCSAMosaic103.hqx>

<ftp://ftp.utexas.edu/pub/mac/tcpip/macweb-10a32-fat.hqx>

ResEdit instructions for proxy support in MacWeb 1.00A3.2:

<http://www.cs.utas.edu.au/Documentation/Mac/MacWeb1.00A3.2Proxy.html>

<ftp://ftp.info.apple.com//Apple.Support.Area/Apple.Software.Updates/US/Macintosh/Utilities/ResEdit_2.1.3.sea.hqx>
<http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/MacWeb2.sit.hqx>
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi//pub/mac/info-mac/gst/grf/gif-converter-237.hqx>
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi//pub/mac/info-mac/gst/grf/gif-watcher-212.hqx>
<ftp://ftp.funet.fi//pub/mac/info-mac/gst/grf/jpeg-convert-10.hqx>
<ftp://ftp.sunet.se//pub/mac/info-mac/cfg/da-piggyback-12.hqx>
<ftp://ftp.syncronys.com//pub/syncronys/RAMChargerDEMO301.sit.hqx>

...RAM Charger <http://www.syncronys.com/> works also on 68000 macs on
System 7. It makes apps run in less memory than they normally demand, only
giving them more if they need it. Highly recommended! There is a one-week
fully functional demo at:

<ftp://ftp.syncronys.com//pub/syncronys/RAMChargerDEMO301.sit.hqx>

Matti Haveri
<http://walli.walli.uwasa.fi/~mhaveri/>