Table of Contents for this issue:

Re: IIsi Monitor Problems
Mac Cracking Tool
Classic II upgrade
RE: Classic Macs Digest 2.14
Re: Soldered SE Memory Upgrade
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.15
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.15
Re: Aaron for MacPlus?
Re: A 128k/512k on-line
Re: Memory for SE
Re: what speed SIMMs
Re: MacWeb Browser on Macworld CD ROM
In-the-wall d.c. power supply
Re: IIsi
Re: Classic Macs Digest 2.15
Memory
Terminal program for Mac
Early Software Versions History??
Classic Macs

From: Ron Carter

I picked up a IIsi with 17mb RAM and 80mb HD and keyboard and mouse for
$75. It has card with 68882 co-processor but it will not fire up a monitor
from the monitor port on the motherboard. It did fire up a monitor with a
video card added to the co-processor board.

The card with the 68882 on it is an adaptor from the IIsi's proprietary
PDS (Processor Direct Slot) to Mac-standard NuBus. If you want to run the
IIsi from internal video, remove the coprocessor board. You're not using
it anyway ... But if you can score a video card, you'll find the IIsi
faster for not having main RAM occupied with video.

Hello everyone,

Here's another cry for help. I'm looking for a Torx 15 tool to
open my compact Macs. I bought one at Wal-Mart, but it won't reach the
screws under the handle. I've been to Home Depot, Lowe's, every other
hardware store in our town, automotive stores (the Torx 15 is used on
headlights), K-Mart, etc, etc. All of the ones I've found are too short!
Other than calling Apple and paying way too much for one of their
"official" tools, does anyone have an idea on where I can find one? I love
my Macs, but if I can't get to their guts, then I can't make them the best
they deserve to be.

Thanks,
Adam

The easiest, fastest way to do this is to plug in an external drive. A
few years ago, I plugged ina Tsunami 170 to my ClassicII and more than
doubled the computers speed. Its a much, much faster drive. After you
plug it in, do a clean install on the new drive, wipe the system/finder
from the internal drive, and choose the external as your start-up drive.
No need to transfer any files, except your extensions/ control panels.
Any Mac compatible SCSI drive will work, the newer the faster.

I am thinking of upgrading my Classic II with a new higher capacity HD is a
FAQ on how to proceed with such an upgrade? I have a Zip drive which I can
use as a backup drive to transfer data back.

The second question I had is where can find a good source of HD's that will
fit my Classic II?

My last question is concerning Apple floppy drives My HD floppy drive
recently died or rather partly died and local the Apple outlets want a
fortune for a replacement $200 Canadain. Any suggestions on fixing it or a
source to buying a new one. I reads only some disks and not other, the same
on writing disks as well. Thanks

Regards MikeW

The IIci prefers 80ns simms, so if you use the 100ns simms the memory will
be slower than it would be if you used the 70ns simms. You wouldn't see
any difference between 70ns and 80ns simms, but there should be a
difference between 70ns and 100ns.

SIMM speed doesn't make a machine faster or slower, it is a Hardware
timing / compatibility issue.

PBJ

Subject: IIsi Monitor Problems
Sent: 2/21/97 12:37 AM
Received: 2/21/97 3:30 PM
From: Ron Carter
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I picked up a IIsi with 17mb RAM and 80mb HD and keyboard and mouse for
$75. It has card with 68882 co-processor but it will not fire up a monitor
from the monitor port on the motherboard. It did fire up a monitor with a
video card added to the co-processor board. What's the problem? Are there
only certain monitors the IIsi will work with? Any ideas?

Change the little battery. Reset the PRAM.

PBJ

Subject: Memory for SE
Sent: 2/20/97 9:56 PM
Received: 2/21/97 3:30 PM
From: Ken Firestone
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I recently aquired a Mac SE 1/20 for $25. I am thinking of upgrading
it to 4 meg and I have a question about memory for it. Can I use PC
memory (with parity)? People seem to be giving these simms away
lately. Also, how slow can the memory be for this beast.

You shouldn't have trouble, but...

We reciently tried puting fast 60-70ns SIMMs into an SE/30, and they
didn't work! so we swapped SIMMs with a newer machine and all was OK. So
look for 80 - 120ns SIMMs.

PBJ

( Mac IIci ). It isn't a clean 32 bit machine, either, so use Mode
32 extension to increase your memory more than 8megs. According to the
book,

I thought is was 32bit clean, the 'dirty' one are Mac II, IIx, SE/30 and
IIcx. Mode 32 gets you over the 13 meg barrier. (some early Mac IIs had
a hardware problem that stopped them from going over 8 megs.

PBJ

On 2/23/97 4:22 PM, Lawrence Monteiro wrote:

RAM SIZE
256K (resistor here) R35
BIT
ONE (no resistor) R36
ROW

I was told to cut the one resistor to allow the upgrade from 1MB to 4MB
RAM by a outfit from which I bought my SIMMs, however, the person I spoke
with wasn't entirely sure this was correct. He hadn't seen this classic
mac in a long time.

The Apple Memory Guide says you remove R35 and R36 to get access to the
full 4MB of memory.

Dave

On 2/23/97 4:22 PM, cmpost wrote:

After following this list it seems clear that the battery in my
daughter's Performa 200 must be replaced. I live in "Mac-poor" area and
will have to replace the battery myself. Any tips?

If the Performa 200 is a compact Mac, e.g. a Classic, you'll need a long
torx screwdriver to remove the screws in the carrying handle that secure
the case and a kind of reverse pliers to crack the case into two
sections. If you buy memory for these babies, you can usually get the
tools too. I got mine from MacConnection.

All the best, Dave

On 2/23/97 4:22 PM, cmpost wrote:

I understand that Performa 400 are limited to addressing a max of 10 meg
physical RAM. I've got 8 installed now and use RAM Doubler 2.0. Is there
any wau for me to break the 10 meg limit?

According to GURU, available from <http://newerram.com> or
<http://www.newertech.com>, the RAM on the Performa is 32-bit clean. So
you could go up to 10 and get 20 with RAM Doubler, but you're constrained
by the limit of 10mb physical.
Does "About This Macintosh" show 16mb as total memory when you have RAM
doubler running? IF so the memory upgrade would get to to 20. You'd have
to ask if that was worth it.

Dave

Subject: Aaron for MacPlus?
Sent: 2/23/97 2:42 PM
Received: 2/23/97 3:55 PM
From: Rex
To: Classic Macs Digest, classic-post@hitznet.com

I'm sure a catch a lot of flack for this, but here goes

Is there a version of the Aaron extention that would work on a MacPlus
w/4megs & sys.7.

I'm really interested in programs to "liven" up the desktop a little. So
if your using something that looks cool, let me know!

Just curious,
Rex

If you're willing to do a little fiddling w/ResEdit on the Finder and the
Apple Menu Options control panel, you can do it without any extra
extensions.

1. Open the ~Aaron extension and a *COPY* of the Finder w/ResEdit.

2. Replace the corresponding icons in your new COPY of the Finder with
those from the ~Aaron extension.

3. Move your old version of the Finder to the Trash, put the new one in the
System Folder, and restart.

Note - If you're using System 7.5 or up, you'll need a copy of Folder Icon
Maker to make the icons for the Recent Application, Documents, & Servers
Folders, then paste them into your Apple Menu Options control panel. This
is something that ~Aaron doesn't even do!

Dave Mitchell

PS - This works for the icons on Finder items only! You can do the same for
the icons for your applications in the same manner.

Subject: A 128/512Ke Online
Sent: 2/21/97 12:20 PM
Received: 2/21/97 3:30 PM
From: Larry Rank
To: classic-post@hitznet.co

In CMD 2.3, Tony Spinetta wrote: (Yes, I'm WAY behind in my email)

In response to a few recent queries:

1. The 128K supported modems. From p. 123 of "Macintosh:" "The Apple
modem is avilable with either a 300 or a 300 and 1200 baud rate."

<snip>

If anyone knows where/how to put a 128K online, please inform. Thanks!

I use a 128 that's been upgraded to a 512Ke, to go access my Unix
shell account. I connect at a blistering 2400! ;-)

I used MacTerminal a bit, but I found a copy of QuickLink. QuickLink
has a few more features. One of the nifty features is that I can
create scripts to log on and off. Pretty slick.

Originally, I set it up to show the PC types in the office what I
could do w/ a "toy" of 1984 vintage. Then I used it more and more
when my main machine was tied up w/ something else. I like it! :-)
The only real problem was the 2400, I have to wait for the screen
text as I surf around. Now, I just got a 9600(!) and I can't wait!

I've read somewhere that you can't use MacTCP on a 68000, so this is
"state of the art".

Larry,

MacTCP works JUST FINE on the Mac Plus, SE, Classic, and Portable, all
with 68000 processors. I believe the problem for MacTCP on 128k and
512k machines is either available memory, or not being able to run
the system software that work with MacTCP. It is NOT a limitation
in the processor itself.

Regards,
Bob Eye

Ken

You can use 30 pin parity SIMMs form PCs so long as they are 9 chip.
I know the 3 chip parity SIMMs will not work on a Plus and I am
pretty sure the same holds for the SE.

Regards,
Bob Eye

Subject: Memory for SE
Sent: 2/20/97 9:56 PM
Received: 2/21/97 3:30 PM
From: Ken Firestone
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I recently aquired a Mac SE 1/20 for $25. I am thinking of upgrading
it to 4 meg and I have a question about memory for it. Can I use PC
memory (with parity)? People seem to be giving these simms away
lately. Also, how slow can the memory be for this beast.

Thanks.

Subject: what speed simms?
Sent: 2/20/97 11:08 PM
Received: 2/21/97 3:30 PM
From: STUGHEAD
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

You posted:

Sent: 2/20/97 12:20 AM
Received: 2/20/97 6:09 PM
From: The Malawi's
To: Classic Macs, classic-post@hitznet.com

are there any advantages to using 70ns 1mb simms in a IIci as
opposed to 100ns?

hilal

According to my book "Fix Your Own Mac" by Jan Harrington, you must
use SIMMs that are 80ns or faster (remember the lower the #, the faster
the SIMM. 70ns is faster than 100ns).

Correct. The speed listed for the SIMM is the fastest spee dit will
run. The spped DOES NOT indicate at what speed it WILL run; this is
determioned by the bus clock. 80 nsec SIMMs will run just fine
clocked at a lower speed, but they will start to become "flakey" if
run at, say, 70 nsec.

It isn't a clean 32 bit machine,
either, souse Mode 32 extension to increase your memory more than 8megs.

This is NOT correct. The IIci was one of, if not THE first, 32 bit
clean machine, meaning that it had 32-bit clean ROMs. It can address
all 128MB or RAM straight; no helper apps needed.

According tothe book, your IIci can accept up to 128megs, but it also
said the same for my SE/30, and the SE/30 can only go to 32megs max.
'Course, 32megs should beplenty for me! You have 2 banks of SIMM slots,
four slots per bank. IncreaseSIMM size 4 at a time (i.e. four 1 meg
SIMMs, four 4 meg SIMMS) Don't mixdifferent speed SIMMs in the same bank.

128MB on the IIci is achieved by using 4-16 MB SIMMs in Bank A and 4-16MB
SIMMs in Bank B. I never did it on my IIci, though.

Remember, if you are going to use smaller sized SIMMs in one bank over
the other, to put the smallest sized SIMMs in Bank A. Since the IIci
uses system RAM for video RAM, and pulls the video RAM from Bank A, it
causes a slowdown on RAM access in Bank A. This slowdown is less
pronounced if the bulk of RAM is in Bank B. Many users like to run no
more than 1-4 MB in Bank A and then put as much as they can in Bank B.
Putting 64MB RAM in Bank A will cause a slowdown in Bank A even though
the amount of RAM being used for video is small, because you still
need all the access time to read/write to the video RAM, which takes
cycles from accessing the other RAM in the bank.

Good luck,
Brian Scarborough

Regards,
Bob Eye

What machine are you using? I tried it on my Centris 650 (under 7.1) and had
no problems.

Are you trying to run it directly from the CD-ROM? If so, copy it to your HD
and THEN try to run it. I don't believe it would run directly from the
CD.

Regards,
Bob Eye

Subject: MacWeb Brower on Macworld CD-ROM
Sent: 2/22/97 5:23 AM
Received: 2/22/97 6:34 PM
From: eriedl
To: Classic Mac, classic-post@hitznet.com

I tried running MacWeb 2.0 from this CD-ROM but it freezes on the startup
page every time. I don't have problems w/Navigator 2.? or E-mailer?
There's nothing on the CD-ROM to indicate any problem with my system
(7.5.1). Any suggestions?

I have an old NEC CD-ROM Reader in good condix, I'd like to use. But no
power supply. It needs a plug-in-the-wall supply yielding 15v. @
1000ma. Circuit City says No Got.

Any ideas?
Philip

A friend of mine bought the IIsi that I was asking about last week--but it
did not have a monitor, and he has run into conflicting opinions about what
monitor to buy. He would like to buy a VGA (?) monitor that he can later
use for a new Windoze (sigh) machine and evidently needs a converter to
make it work on a Mac--but some say not for IIsi. Also, can a TV serve as
a monitor for the IIsi? One of the people who wrote back to me said it had
video out capability. Sorry if my questions don't make much sense. I told
him to go ahead and buy an Apple color display and use it later for a new
power mac, but he's not convinced.

Gina Wallace
Topsham, Maine

I would like to install a Quantum Empire 1030S into an LC. When I tried
the initial installation, HD Toolkit PE V1.7 did not recognize it after
scanning the SCSI chain. While I am sure I am missing something, I'm not
sure what it is.

Check out the SCSI ID. It's usually set by way of a few jumpers on
the drive, and if it's set for 0 (reserved for the factory installed
internal hd) or 7 (reserved for the CPU) it won't show. FYI, on later
macs the ID 3 is reserved for the internal CDROM. My Quantam Fireball 1.2
came from the factory set at 0, it would not be unreasonable to assume
that other Quantum models would ship at 0. The literature sent with your
drive should have the info you need to reset the SCSI ID. If that doesn't
pan out, verify the cabling (both power and SCSI), or if that's not
possible just take the whole mess back to whoever you bought it from and
get another.

There has been some discussion of memory requirments for different Mac
machines here and so I thought these might be useful to folks out there with
an interest.

1. <http:/www.newertech.com> has a program called "GURU 2.2" that lists a lot
of useful Mac information.

2. I found an Acrobat file on the Apple site, don't remember where, but you
can search the site, called Apple Memory Guide.

My copy is dated November, 1996 and it said it will be updated January,
1997.

Guess that hasn't arrived yet!

Hi,

i need a terminal program for my Mac 128K.
Any suggestion where i should look?

martin

Help! I'm trying to find the correct versions of the early software for
the oldest Macs. Something like this:

Mac 128K Mac512K Mac512Ke
MacWrite 1.0 - ? 1.0 - ? 1.? - ?
MacPaint
MacDraw
MacProject
MacTerminal
MS Multiplan
MS Chart
MS Excel
MS Word
...

I know there are many footnotes to such a list - like, the following on
the Addendum to MacWrite version 4.6:

White 800K disk w/system 4.1/finder 5.5 is appropriate for the Plus, SE, and
Mac II. Beige 400K disk, with system 3.2/finder 5.3 is appropriate for
Mac 512K and 512Ke. "If you want to use MacWrite 4.6 (as startup disk) on a
mac 128K, copy MacWrite 4.6 onto a disk that contains system 2.0, finder
4.1"

So it seems that MacWrite 4.6 didn't come ready to run on the 128K, but could
be run with an older system folder!

But if you can help me fill out this chart, I'll post it for all old mac
fanciers to argue about...! Claris couldn't (wouldn't?) help.

Please e-mail responses to m188253@aicenter.mdc.com.

Thanks,
Frank Mushkin
St. Louis, MO, USA

I really enjoy this forum and reading responses to things that have come
along, some of the developments I watched as the Mac base developed. It
seems to me that most of the current questions are from people who have an
entry level Mac and want to make a PowerPC out of it. No, no,no, there is
nothing wrong with this, power on if you will. But it is like taking a Model
A Ford, or a Volkswagen and trying to make a speed machine out of it. To many
the beauty lay in the Model A Ford and the original Bug, not highly modified
souped up hotrods. Mind you there is plenty of room in the Mac community for
both groups. A basic SE, MacPlus, LC a MacXL, in fact any of the 6800
machines, is perfectly adequate for word processing up through Word 5.1. Word
5.1 itself may someday become a classic. For that matter, MacWrite 4.5 was
really an adequate word processor for most tasks.

There are many things that needed fixing about the Mac Plus but the concept
of a transportable machine with a built in handle so you could carry it from
room to room, even job to job was something new in the mass market. It sure
was neat. What needed fixing about the MacPlus most? I'd say power supply and
a fan to keep heat down. I never believed the explanation that a fan would
add too much to the cost. I did believe the rumor that power supplies from
the Far East are notoriously weak. Evidently they used a varnish on the wire
which broke down quickly in the transformer under heat conditions. We have
our MacPlus in dry storage now, but we did boot it up the other day. We were
running Panorama 2.03, a really fast ram based database, we surprised how
slow it was on the 68000 machine. We were used to a 60030 and PowerPC mode,
we are talking comparisons here. It was still very adequately fast on the
MacPlus.

With the price of machines dropping everyday, I recommend that instead of
hacking an old machine, you buy newer technology, I have seen some 60030
machines at attractive prices.