Table of Contents for this issue:

Re: LC LAB Reformating HD's
MacPlus Failure! Constant Beeps & Clicks at Powerup
Re: Opening A Classic Mac Case
Hardware Specifications
Protecting Macs from Kids
OldMac Web Browsers, re: Netscape 1.1.1
HD Formatter
Re: Classic Macs Digest 3.2
Re: Classic Macs Digest 3.2
Re: Performa 475?
HTML Viewer
Performa 475 info
Re: SE Vertical Bars on Screen
Faxback Software
Re: Performa 475
RE: Classic Macs Digest 2.20
RE: Classic Macs Digest 3.1
RE: Classic Macs Digest 3.2
PowerBook 145 HD Stops

First, I thank you all for the wonder information...very helpull!

Response to suggestion to reformat HD with 'HD SC Setup' from Bruce and
others : It won't work, I get a responce 'Unable to unmount drive. a file on
the disk may be in use.' ( I assume this would be the SAM Intercept that I
can't turn off)

Is there any other way to reformat the HD?

Ksquad

I have a Plus with 4MB Ram booting from a Zip drive. The zip has both
system 7.1 and 6.08. I use System switcher to switch between the two. The
unit has a Kensington System Saver on it and I have never thought the
case was hot (I check regularly). Everything was working fine and all of
a sudden the screen blanked out and the startup chime keeps going off
every second or so. The screen will remain black and either a chime or
clicking will be heard.

If I power down and up again, the Zip disk will be accessed long enough
to keep the manual eject from working. But the screen remains black and
the restart process seems to keep repeating.

My hunch is a power supply problem- either resoldering or a new supply
altogether is needed.

But I figure it could be a bad battery also. Does a Plus have PRAM that
could get corrupted and produce this behaviour?

My questions are:
Does anyone know the disease these symptoms belong to?
How can I troubleshoot it further?
If you know the problem, is there a cheap solution?

I would really like to keep this Plus going.

Thanks in advance

Vincent P Salupo
Finally!: All opinions are mine and who cares what the views of my
Company, Managers, co-workers, spouse, children, dog
etc.... are!

We have opened Classic Macs by slapping the sides of the case at the same
time much as reported earlier. But one time we ran into a tough one. We
nearly destroyed the case trying to get it open with a case cracker, a
screwdriver and anything else to put pressure on the case. A Torx is the
preferred tool for the screws but we have used long hex wrenches in the
past.

This is probably a repeat of what others have written but regarding the case
cracker---the one given us in a "Mac tool kit" years ago looked like a 2 or 3
inch paper clamp which you inserted in the seam lines and tried to pry apart
by pressing on the ends of the "paper clamp". The slapping technique worked
best for us. Caveat: you might be knocking some innards loose by this strong
hand technique.

Hi Classic Mac,

I've only been subscribing to the list for a few days, and although
I've only looked through a couple of months of posts, the question of
hardware specifications seems to raise its ugly head quite often, but I've
yet to see any mention of the best and MOST ACCURATE Mac data sheet, Apple
Spec.

It is issued 4 times per year by Apple (the current one is Apple
Spec 11/96) and is available of any of Apple's sites. If you have Filemaker
Pro 3.0 you only need download the 950 kb file, if not, you will have to
download the runtime only version of FMP3 as well (1.9 Mb). I
wholeheartedly recommend that every Classic Mac devotee get a copy I got my
most recent copy from this site,
<ftp://mirror.apple.com/mirrors/Apple_SW_Updates/US/Macintosh/Utilities/>,
there are four files, two text files and two data files all called Apple
Spec, do yourselves a favour and pick up a copy, it covers intro/discont
dates,upgrade paths, dimensions, power req, ports, logic board info,
memory, supported software, sound, storage, video.

As a SE/30 20Mb/1.2Gb, SE 4/20Mb, Plus 1Mb/floppy Laserwriter 360
owner, PB 520, IIvx, Duo 230, Quadra 650, 6100/66AV and 7200/120 DOS user
this little app has saved my bacon a number of times.

One other item I've noticed is the need of a disk formatting
utility like HD SC Setup that does all HDs, I found a patched one recently
that appears to do the job and I will try to find its URL before I post
again.

All the best, we classic Mac users really need this site, so thanks for
putting it up.

Be seeing you. PA-S.

An access control program called "Foolproof" is the answer - it
leaves the Mac desktop available to the kids, but various levels of
'locking' are possible and works great.

This sounds like a nifty program, but I thought i'd mention 2 other
options:

Apple's "At Ease" instead-of-the-Finder thing will run on an LCII, and
prevents password-less users from moving or renaming anything -- all they
can do is launch files. It's been around for a while and most people seem
to hate it -- seems you could get it for free if you asked around.

Or there's this nifty thing I downloaded the other day: "BigSecret"
(shareware) lets the person with the password make files and folders
INVISIBLE until you tell it to show them again. If they can't see you, they
can't get you. Or dump you in the trash, or change your name, or move you
around, or anything. That would work to protect the System folder. I
haven't tried yet to see if it's possible to invisible-ize a file, but
allow the user to open it via a visible *alias* - leaving the actual file
untouched.

I have one called "1.1N", and I installed it right away when I got my
PowerBook 100. It flat out told me "Your Machine is Too Old. Go away." But
I don't know if that's because it was noticing my processor, or that I
don't have Color QuickDraw.

Has anyone located, uploaded, or tried out this MacWeb 2.whatever somebody
mentioned? Right now, I'm using the 1.00A3.2 version I got somewhere, if I
want to send forms -- or a 1.something of Mosaic if I want to copy text out
of a web page or display black-and-white GIFs in a page. (Yee-hooooooo!)
This is silly, but does help me weed out a lot of the flashy fluff that's
overrunning the Net.

Hi good people,
I've just found the patched HD SC Setup formatter, believe me, this
one works miracles on any SCSI drive.
Ernst Oud is responsible for it and all the info is availible at this URL;
<http://www.euronet.nl/users/ernstoud/scsi.html>.

All the best.
Be seeing you. PA-S.

Subject: HTML Viewer

This may seem like a tall order but here it goes. Im looking for an
HTML "viewer." I need a way to take a web site on a lap top and show it
to a client so that they can see how their web sit will look once
posted. Essentially, I need Nagivator or IE with the communications
functions striped out. I would perfer to be able to show Java and Java
script. Running on a 68K Powerbook is a BIG plus. I will collect and
"digest" responses and repost them here. Thanks.

Why do you need t o'stip out' anything?

Just collect all the HTML files and gifs, make sure they are all in the
proper dir's and fire up Netscape, using the 'Open File...' command.
I've used this for a long time. It makes a great presentation, better
than that MS thing, powerpoint.

Subject: Netscape 1.1.1

I have read anywhere that Netscape 1.1.1 runs on 68000 machines.
Does anyone know of that ?
If so, where can I download it ?

Greetings,
Domingo

Go here:
<http://www.mtn.org/~jbipes/mac-sw.html>
I have both 1.0 and 1.1.

Help! I thinking of buying an old Performa 475, but can't seem to find the
specs. It is supposed to have a 68LC040 chip at 25MHz. A strangely low
speed for that chip, wouldn't ya think?

Can anyone point me to some info on this beast?

50mhz according to the data sheet. Check out:
<http://product.info.apple.com/productinfo/specsheets/Performa/Mac_Performa_475.html>

for specific info, and for any other desktop computer apple makes (or
made) check out

<http://product.info.apple.com/productinfo/datasheets/dtindex.html>

"This may seem like a tall order but here it goes. Im looking for an
HTML "viewer." I need a way to take a web site on a lap top and show it
to a client so that they can see how their web sit will look once
posted. Essentially, I need Nagivator or IE with the communications
functions striped out."

Try ForeFront's WebWhacker. It lets you download an entire web site to
view offline in your main browser. I'm not positive about it running on a
165c, but it probably does. For info go to:

<http://www.ffg.com/whacker/wwmac2.html>

Geoff Kaiser

"Help! I thinking of buying an old Performa 475, but can't seem to find the
specs."

According to Apple's web site, the 68LC040 was a 50 MHz chip with a 25
MHz data bus.

For full info on the 475, go to Apple's spec sheet on the web, at:

<http://product.info.apple.com/productinfo/specsheets/Performa/Mac_Performa_475.html>

Geoff Kaiser

Subject: SE Vertical Bars on Screen
Sent: 3/3/97 11:34 PM
Received: 3/3/97 11:35 PM
From: ehintz

One time I did turn it on, I initially got the vertical bars, and then
buzzes came from the speaker, and I got a Sad Mac. The code underneath
was:

00000001
0000FFFF

SIMM error? ROM error? Drive error? Help!

According to my interpretation of the TIL article regarding sad mac
codes, this one means "ROM checksum test failed", but don't take my word
for it, check out the article. It (and the rest of the Technical
Information Library) can be found at
<http://til.info.apple.com/til/til.html>.

I am looking for a software package similar to Front Office that would include
a faxback option. It would need to run on a Plus or SE preferably.
Any type of faxserver software leads would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Bruce
Loyally Mac

Dick Johnson Wrote :

Help! I thinking of buying an old Performa 475, but can't seem to find the
specs. It is supposed to have a 68LC040 chip at 25MHz. A strangely low
speed for that chip, wouldn't ya think?

Can anyone point me to some info on this beast?

Well, here goes. This may be covering something that has already been
answered, but:

A 25MHz 68LC040 isn't strangely slow. According to the information I have,
Apple most commonly seems to have used the 33MHz version, with only the
Quadra840AV having a faster (40MHz) processor.

As far as I know, the LC475 was the first of the LC (Low Cost) line to have
an '040 processor, so 25MHz was quite reasonable at the time (10/93?).

Perhaps the confusion is because some later advertising for such machines as
the LC580 mentioned "33/66 MHz processor". If we follow that advertising
method, the LC475 has a "25/50 MHz processor". I don't have the data to
support this (so correct me if I'm wrong) but perhaps the '040 always ran
the internal logic of the processor at twice the clock speed of the bus
interface?

If so, the advertising was probably in response to all those PC ads for
"DX4/100" (25MHz bus, 100MHz processor internal) that were appearing then.

To get info, there are a couple of sources I use. One is the "MacFacts 2"
text file, another is a standalone executable FileMaker Database whose
name escapes me. I got them both from the Info-Mac archive, but they
should be widely available.

Anyway, I hope this wasn't too boring. Good luck with the purchase.

Brian Rusten

p.s. Did you know one of the top racing car drivers in Australia is
named "Dick Johnson"? Probably not the same as our poster.

Subject: TORX Drivers/ Mac Plus Fan
Sent: 2/27/97 10:19 AM
Received: 2/27/97 12:03 PM
From: David Buchner
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

(Incidentally, I did this to put a fan inside a Plus. Just screwed it to
some bracket or other in there, pointed up. Soldered its wires right onto
where the Mac power cord comes in. I'd be interested to hear whether
anyone else has done this and whether they think it did any good.

My original 128 was upgraded to a 512k, wow, and a fan was installed.
Just a fan on the end of a flat piece of metal, stuck to the top of the
floppy drive. The wires were soldered to the wires in the plug. The only
problem that I can see is people using cheap fan will get sick of the
noise. I believe it is better for the machine to have some air moving
around inside it.

PBJ

Subject: Accelerator Cards
Sent: 2/27/97 5:56 PM
Received: 2/28/97 5:41 PM
From: Steve Hanson
To: Classic Mac Digest, classic-post@hitznet.com

I have a Mac IIci with:

32BM of RAM
500 MB Hard Drive
24 bit Video Card
8 bit Video Card
Two 13" Color Monitors
and a 2 X CD ROM Drive

It has served me well over the years, but it's beginning
to seem to be a little pokey these days.

QUESTION:
Has anyone bought such a card for their Mac IIci? If so, how
well did it enhance the performance of your machine? Did
you think it was worth expense?

I have just put a Daystar Turbo 100 PPC card in a IIvx, the same is
available for IIci. It ran old software about 10-12 times faster, and I
would expect to double that using PPC Native software. Daystar said they
had trouble with system 7.5.3 but it seemed to be OK with the latest
software for the card and sys 7.5.5. Depending on your investment in
your IIci and the possibility of getting a used 840AV or 950 or old
PowerMac cheap, it may be worth it. The owner of the IIvx thought it
was.

PBJ

Subject: Date Stuck to 27 Aug 1956
Sent: 2/28/97 10:06 AM
Received: 2/28/97 5:41 PM
From: hoosier
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Greetings,

Each time I reset My Classic II's date at the control panel,after shutdown it
will show again date 27 Aug 1956. Norton didn't find anything wrong.
I need your helpfolks.

change the battery

PBJ

Subject: Plus and HD 20
Sent: 2/28/97 5:16 PM
Received: 2/28/97 5:41 PM
From: George Crane
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Bret Alan Fessenden wrote:
RE: HD 20 and Plus problem
In any case, I have spent three months trying to figure this
out, and I have spent $30 for the drives together, but ANOTHER
$50 on cables, terminators, etc. trying to get them to work...

You may not like my answer because it doesn't solve your problem in the way
you want it solved. Perhaps you need to step back from this and reconsider
your definition of ludicrous. Why waste three months worth of worry, $80+
and all of our eyestrain on those little 20MB antiques? Even if you get
them working, how long do you think they'll last? Probably not too long.
They may be classics and real lovable and all that, but they definitely
have a finite lifespan. This will anger your friend just as well as all
the other delays. Why not just buy a newer drive of some sort, hook it up
and be done with it. You say that "even if I buy 30 more drives, none but
my 350 will work". That is rather presumptive of you and not a good
troubleshooting attitude either. In summary, get your friend a newer drive
so s/he can get moving and get yourself another Plus to experiment on at
your leisure.

good luck,
george

I tend to agree with your direction, but I can't see why he shouldn't
follow the problem through to the end. I ran an SE for a couple of years
with a 20meg HD that required a reformat every 3 months, it is all just
part of the learning.

PBJ

Subject: Re: LC Lab Questions
Sent: 2/28/97 9:41 PM
Received: 3/1/97 2:38 PM
From: B Soluski
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

KSQUAD wrote:

I have a acquired 11 Mac LC's 2 or 4 MB RAM and 20Meg HD's.
I want to teach a basic compter curriculum to children
at our local Boys & Girls Club.

3. What are some of the obvious programs I should have on the computers?

Snide answer: Microsoft.
Realistic answer: students.
You will spend hours getting Macs up and running,
and someone will trash the system folder.
BUT if you have a standard install on that spare HD,
you can just recopy everything quickly.
(Do not folder drag the system folder to an other disk.
An active system does not always copy perfectly.
Get hold of a copy utility like disktop or desktools.)

I have not had any trouble copying whole system folders from one drive
to another. Have a copy of the Spare System folder on your spare HD,
with the Finder outside the spare system folder until after it gets to
the new destination. Once you have finished the copy check to see if the
new system folder has a Mac icon on the System Folder. If it hasn't,
open the folder and double click on the Finder. Ignore the error
message, close the folder and it should then have the 'blessed' Icon on
it. It is worth resetting PRAM after you have do this.

PBJ

Subject: Mac IIci Memory Wierdness
Sent: 3/2/97 2:15 AM
Received: 3/2/97 12:01 PM
From: Tobias Beal
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Here's one for the experts-

I've got a IIci which presently has 16 megs of 70ns ram in it-
everything works fine in that configuration. I've tried to upgrade it
to 20 megs by adding 4-1meg simms; the machine runs, but crashes
regularly and suffers from lots of Type 1 errors. If I reverse the
banks, I get the same results, but if I run the machine on just the 4
megs, all is well. It would seem that the two sets of memory just don't
get along. I've tried various simms for the 4 extra megs- 2-chip,
8-chip, and 9-chip, down to 60ns, and all exhibit the same wierdness.

Yes there is some weirdness about IIci and RAM. I think it stops at
16Meg, a hardware limit. I went nuts one weekend with the same problem.

PBJ

Subject: Performa 475?
Sent: 3/2/97 5:19 PM
Received: 3/2/97 5:59 PM
From: Dick Johnson
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

Help! I thinking of buying an old Performa 475, but can't seem to find the
specs. It is supposed to have a 68LC040 chip at 25MHz. A strangely low
speed for that chip, wouldn't ya think?

The '040 uses double the clock speed internally, so it's more like a
50MHz '030. The FPU is usually internal to the '040 chip but is not on
the LC040 chip, but you can just swap an LC040 for an '040 chip if you
want to buy one. Basically an LC III with an '040.

PBJ

Subject: SyQuest??
Sent: 3/3/97 6:17 PM
Received: 3/3/97 7:25 PM
From: alovett
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I'm not really sure if this is a "Classic Mac" question, but does anyone
know if you can use a SyQuest SyDos 44 MB drive on a Mac? It has a SCSI
interface, but will I need any drivers or anything to get it to work? I'd
like to get it working since it would be a perfect removable drive for my
Plus.

It should be OK, but you will need a HD formatter to format your 44meg
PC carts to work with your Mac. Some drivers expect to have the cart in
place when the Mac starts, others allow inserting and removing carts
like floppies. For a long life, keep the drive and carts super clean and
dust free. Dust destroyed 3 88meg cart drives in 6 months at my house.

PBJ

I have a PowerBook 145 with 4/80 memory. Every so often the HD stops
turning\ and the screen freezes up. Sometimes I can restart the computer
with the reset button on the back panel; other times it can't be restarted
till it has rested for several hours. It might stop in mid start up or
after I have launched an application. It can happen 3 times in 5 minutes,
then, perhaps five hours later, it will work perfectly for two hours of
note taking. This problem seems worse -- I think -- after I have carried the
PowerBook 145 around for a while (e.g. to school, to a meeting; it usually
sits on my desk at work).

Here is what I have attempted to do (with no appreciable effect):

1 - did a clean install of system 7.1 - removed system 7.5
2 - bought a new apple battery
3 - ran norton utilities = it found many things to correct but the problems
persist
4 - reinitialized the HD

Sometimes the screen will flicker a bit; this problem seems to have gotten a
little better after I corrected some of the software problems.

Are these software problems or hardware problems? Do I need a new hard drive?
Any ideas about where I can get the 145 fixed without being charged an arm
and a leg?

All ideas appreciated!!!!