Table of Contents for this issue:

RE: Faster Color Classic
System 7.1
RE: Classic Macs Digest 3.20
RE: Classic Macs Digest 3.18
CC2
Screen in blue
Deskwriter Printer Problem
Re: Classic Macs Digest 3.16
Re: PPP connection on Sys 7.0.1
Re: Classic Macs Digest 3.17
Anyone have RAM for me?
Upgrading Macintosh SE RAM
trying to hook 2 mac together
What's different about Sys. 6 & AT/AS?
RE: Mac Classic Accelerator
Re: PB100 Batteries
LCII Problem

--Quoted message at end of email--

About Color Classic options:

A few months ago, I emailed something slightly similar, and Jeff (being
the great guy he is), sent me a few suggestions; Since then I have
contacted MicroMac and Sonnet Technologies; both have good, clean,
compatible 030 33mhz accelerators for the Color Classic. As I live in
Canada, shipping, handling etc tend to change the online price quotes a
fair amount. So, I first emailed off to these two companies to see what
they coould give me.

From MicroMac, I got a nice phone call; they basically told me that the
040 processor would not work in a Color Classic, but that the 33 or 50
Mhz ones would do great. The head of sales (who talked to me on the
phone) then told me that the only really good option for me to use was to
get their ThunderCache Pro card, with the extra slot for RAM and the FPU.
When I calculated the entire package out on my calculator, it came to
just under $500 CDN. So much for that.

Then, a month and a half later, Sonnet finally returned my email. They
didn't have too much to say on international shipping, but they sent me a
pdf file of their web page (from which I originally got their email
address, anyways). They also said that the 030 33Mhz accelerator that
they have been advertising in Mac mags for the past year had been out of
production all that time; however, they were starting to manufacture them
again, as of mid February. The price on this card looked attractive, but
if this response reflects at all on their tech support, I wouldn't touch
them with an IP packet. I haven't made any more enquiries with them.

Another source that Jeff (I think it was you, anyways) mentioned was the
ARC (Apple Resource Center) <http://www.thearc.com/> which sells Mac
components. I checked out their web page, and they have an upgrade for
Color classics to a Performa 550 for around $200! (US) I thought I'd
check this out, so I filled out their RFI (Request for info) page, asking
them to send me more information on this logic board upgrade, because it
looked like the best bang for its buck. That was another month and a
half ago. 3 weeks ago, I filled out their page again, and I still
haven't had a reply from them.

So, I still don't have the upgrade I wanted to get in January, but if ARC
ever contacts me, I think the logic board upgrade is what I'll go with.
If you want to keep all of your CC's innards intact, and don't want to
see the company you bought your upgrade from again, go with Sonnett. If
you want customer service, for the extra $200, go with MicroMac.

Hope this helps all you fellow CC users out there!

(PS: be sure to check out whether any accelerator card is compatible with
the 256K VRAM upgrade, what system the upgrade is compatible with,
whether you need special software to work with it, and whether you need
to switch to 72 pin SIMMS [or have a certain SIMM configuration] in order
for the upgrade to work.)

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:24:54 +0200
To: pedro
From: Jeff Blanton
Subject: Faster Color Classic

You wrote:

I've just bought a Color Classic. 10/80, FPU, VRAM.
Nice. Are there any *cheap* booster cards with faster
CPU? 040 prefferably? And where to buy it. I live in
Poland, so UK or Germany would be nice. It is really
hard to transfer money from here to US without a credit
card. I do not have such toy... TIA

PeDrO

Greetings from South Africa,

I am also an user of a Color Classic 10/80 and really enjoy my Mac. You
asked about an accelerator card for it. Well I have been using a 030-33
card by MicroMac since 1994 in it. It really makes a big difference. At
one time I had thought about a 040 card but when I talked to the folks who
make them they said that the bus speed on the CC was not fast enough for a
040 processor. I have also tried a 030-50 accelerator that one could place
an additional 16 mb of Ram on but unfortunately it never would work
correctly. So after going round and round with it (not the manufacturer)
for a couple of months the manufacturer took it back and refund my money.

So from personal experience I would go with a 030-33 card, they are SYS
7.5.5 friendly and Ram Doubler compatible. They are also very simple to
install, just pull out the mother board and if you have a fpu you have to
remove it and then place the board on the PDS slot. Reinstall the mother
board and away you go. The card I use has no extensions or control panels
to bother with. I bought mine through an American company
<http://www.micromac.com> and they cost around $100 but I have seen them
also advertised in Mac magazines from England. Maybe some of the fellows
who live in Europe can help out there.

Hope this helps.

Jeff Blanton
South Africa

I've got system 7.0.1. How do I get it to 7.1 so I can get on the net?

Thanks

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: To upgrade to System 7.1, contact Apple. 7.1 is not a
freeware version and is still licensed. BTW, 7.0 is entirely sufficient to
get on the 'net. I did it with my SE using the Apple Internet Connection
Toolkit (in order to get MacTCP), then I downloaded MacPPP version 2.1.2SD
for the PPP dialer. By configuring these two control panels, you have an
instant internet dialer system that is automatically accessed by most
programs (including Eudora, Mosaic, Netscape, Fetch, etc.).]

Public Folder may have been released to public domain by
Claris. It works well, but has a poor interface. All
shared files or folders must be in folder "public" on
the desktop. (option to change name) The other mac
accesses Public Folder
thru the chooser and selects files to copy.

You can nominate any folder, anywhere, (128/512k macs execpted) as the
Public Folder, I think it even works if you nominate your Hard Drive.

PBJ

To: cmpost <classic-post@hitznet.com>
From: David Buchner
Subject: Re: Networking Plus and SE
Date sent: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 20:48:08 +0000

Please forgive the dense question...

Do I correctly understand this discussion to mean that
all this fancy, no-brainer LocalTalk file sharing stuff
didn't really happen System 7? I never had more than one
Mac till after 7, I guess I just thought it had always
been as simple as install the file sharing and appletalk
extensions, plug 'em in, turn on file sharing, look for
servers in the chooser. No? How much different?

Apple provided the Appleshare client software on pre system 7 macs but
not the server software, this was another product. In system 7 apple
provided a sort of Appleshare Lite which acts as the server for
appleshare clients. The client software runs on most macs and I have
used a PB140 as a server for a 512/400k mac.

Subject: Why not just Appletalk?
Date sent: Thu, 20 Mar 97 14:18:31 -0800
From: "B.J. Major & Dennis J. Gorin"
To: <classic-post@hitznet.com>

In reply to:

Date sent: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:04:16 -0500
To: classic-post@hitznet.com
From: Terry Galka
Subject: Networking Plus and SE

I have

I need to network in System 6.08 ?

Maybe I just don't understand, but I don't know why
someone would have to root around and look for something
called "public folder." I recently hooked up via the 8
minidin Mac printer cable mentioned above, a Mac Plus
and a Power Macintosh 9500--the Plus running System
6.0.5 and the 9500 running System 7.5.5. Both
communicated via Appletalk/Appleshare just like they
should with each other and absolutely NO
incompatibilities!

becaused the guy asked for SYSTEM 6 software!

PBJ

I also recall seeing an ad for a company that offers a mother board
upgrade (I think) for the Color Classic that would turn it into a Color
Classic 2 (?) The ad stands out in my mind because I had never heard of
a Color Classic 2. So there is at least one other option out there. I
saw the product advertised last October or November on the Web site of
one of the companies that specializes in older Macs, but was not able to
find it tonight.

Color Classic II was a Japan and Far East version of Color Classic with
faster CPU (33 MHz compared to 16 MHz in CC), greater memory upgrade
capabilities and *probably* 32 data bus (like in LC III).
If you could find those company would be really great
TIA and best regards

pedro

Hi,
I've got a small problem with my Color Classic screen (12" Trinitron).
The symptom is dominating light blue colour on all screen surface,
changing back to normal every few seconds.
Could it be a malfunctioning VRAM chip? Or rather something inside the
monitor?

Sometimes after changing the number of displaying colors (in Monitors
cdev) the situation is going back to normal for some minutes.
TIA

pedro

Dear Classic Maccers,

I wonder if you might be able to help me help my cousin with his classic II
and an original Deskwriter printer. Basically it will print a page and a
bit but then spits out this error message:

"Datacomm buffer overrun - no DTR handshaking."

We've tried Appletalk on / off, reinstalling printer and system software,
rebuilding desktop, checked with Norton Utitlies etc.. all to no avail.

I suspect the problem might be to do with the printer driver and system
7.1; the manual that came with the printer says nothing about system 7, so
I assume it predates it. I looked at the Hewlett Packard ftp site but was
stumped over which printer driver to choose. Does anyone know which is the
best driver to use with 7.1 on a classic. We would be grateful for any
ideas you might have.

Thanks in advance.

Yours,

Saul

Date sent: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:35:49 +0000
From: "Brevard Blythe (rekcaH caM)"
To: classic-post@hitznet.com Subject: Origional Macintosh Question

I have recently aquired an original 128k Macintosh (for
5 bucks)... Its in great condition ... It looks as if it
has been in its box since 1984. There is no mouse and
no supporting software for the dual single sided drives
(300k?? floppies). What would I need??? system 5??? to
get it up and running ( AND WHERE WOULD I FIND IT???) I
might add that I am in a Mac unfriendly area. Also, I
have another (more modified) 512 that has been upgraded
to a Plus with a SCSI port out the back and 2 megs of
RAM. I was using the modified Plus as a print spooler,
but what I would like to know is, is there any way to
turn these two into a "terminal" type of interface where
you directly connct to a network without an OS????? Just
a thought... ANY ideas of older OS possibilities... I
just enjoy seeing these old Macs outdo the PEECEES of
today. Any SUPPORTIVE suggestions would be much
appreciated.... Thanks..

Go Here for Old Software, I have System S/W back to Sys 3
<http://www.mtn.org/~jbipes/mac-sw.html>

I also have a old mouse, platinum no less, for $20.00.
I can also get at a keyboard.
Contact me
Jeff Bipes

Arye,

Without a doubt, go get MacPPP version 2.0.1. You can get it from Info-Mac,
Apple's ftp sites, etc. It is usually found as macppp.hqx or occasionally as
macppp_201.hqx. When you decode and decompress it, it should come up in a
folder labeled "MacPPP 2.0.1". It even works under later versions of system
6.

Regards,

Bob Eye

Date sent: Fri, 21 Mar 97 00:32:15 -0400
From: Arye Guggenheim
Subject: PPP Connection On Sys7.0.1
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I'd like to first offer my thanks to the several people
who have been aiding me thusfar in my attempt to get my
LC on the web, particularly Andiamo. It seems that I
have MacTCP in order, but both FreePPP and its ancestor
Mac PPP 2.5 require a minimum of System 7.1, while my
software is at 7.0.1. Do earlier versions accomodate my
OS version?

Arye Guggenheim

Date sent: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:50:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: wiley
Subject: WTB: Macitosh Portable
To: classic-post@hitznet.com

I am not sure if this is appropriate to this, if not, my
apologies.

I am looking for a Mac Portable. Extra memory and a
larger hard drive would be nice but not necessities.
Price must be reasonable.

Thanks
James L. Wiley

Contact DEXIS Computer Surplus in Minneapolis. They have 2 of 'em.
I think they are asking around $100.00.
612/944-7670.

Jeffrey Bipes

Hi all! I am trying to squeeze some life out of some old Macs; I am looking
to find RAM, used. Does anyone have any old 1mb and 4mb 30 pin Simms laying
around? Just contact me directly at Alan123. Thanks!
Long Live the Mac!

Alan Gordon

I have a Macintosh SE (dual floppy system) with 1 meg of RAM that I would
like to upgrade to 4 megs of RAM. I can get the SIMM's for almost
nothing, but the installation costs would make it cheaper to just buy
another system. Here's my question: Is this something I can do myself?
What do I need to open the case (and how much will it cost)? And while I
have the thing open, is there anything else I might as well do that's
pretty cheap?

Thanks in advance
Matthew

I know this question has probally been ask a few times. i have a se/30
and a power mac 6115 and would like to network them together the
cheapest way i can. any information will help. thanks
Karl Hoffman

In response to:

"Public folder is needed if running Sys 6 on both Macs.

Nothing is needed if running Sys 7 on one Mac and Sys 6 on the other. Or if
Sys 7 is running on both."

Why? I'd like to know why Appleshare/Appletalk will not work on two Macs,
both of which are running System 6....

--bj

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Be sure to see the response by Paul B. Jones earlier in
this Digest that concerns this exact subject.]

I own a Classic and have purchased a "performer pro" accellerator from
MicroMac. I have been searching with no success, the little program called
"Compact Virtual". I am trying to get this board to recognize more than my 4
meg of ram. Since Compact Virtual is not being manufactured any more, I am
sure there is no reason why someone should not be able to give me a copy of
it. Does anyone have it, or know of another utility that will produce the
same result?

Thanks, a frustrated old macer.

Craig Perkins

Hi Craig,
Contact Galaxy Hardware Publishers in Eugene, Oregon.
sales@galaxyhp.com They are specialists in accelerating Macs... They
were extremely helpful in upgrading my SE, and not expensive.

John

Michael Skeggs wrote:

Re: PB100 Batteries

Since there has been some discussion of the Powerbook
100's batteries, does anyone know if they can be
reconditioned/repaired. I have one which gives a max of
30 mins, and one that lasts about 30 seconds, so I am
willing to experiment if necessary.

Buy a new one. This is a typical symptom of a shorted cell. The charge
lasts only a few seconds or minutes then dead or drops to a lower voltage
with reduced current capability (but lower voltages are useless).

Regards, Ron Carlson

I recently gave my ex-wife (yes, you read correctly, my ex-wife) my old
LCII, along with an external 3X CD rom drive. After starting it up for the
first time in a year, I noticed several problems. I'm trying to install
System 7.5, it currently has system 7.1. I cannot install or boot up from
the CD-rom or a Zip drive. I also cannot empty the trash. I'm trying to
boot up from another source so that I can erase the drive since the system
is probably corrupted. I have managed to boot up from the internal disk
drive with a Norton utilities speed disk but when I use it I only can get
to the speed disk program, not the finder. Is there a one disk system I
can boot to bypass the internal hard drive system? If there is, where can
I get it? Or is there some other solution to this problem? Any help would
be appreciated.

Thanks
Jon