Table of Contents for this issue:
SCSI RAM and MacWrite Query
Re: PB100 and Mode 32 (1)
Re: PB100 and Mode 32 (2)
Re: PB100 and Mode 32 (3)
Re: SuperDrive for Mac Plus
Re: Mac Plus and SuperDrive
Re: Reading DOS Disks in a Mac
Re: Monitors and the Performa 460
Re: System 7.6 and LC II
Re: LC II Video Problem
Graphical Chess Game for Mac SE?
Re: Plus on the Web via System 6 (1)
Re: Plus on the Web via System 6 (2)
Re: Web Browser for System 6.0.8
Caveat Emptor: Mac Wizards List
Color QuickDraw: Where is it, What is it?
Re: System 7.6 on an LC II
Re: Mac Plus Storage
Jag's Archive now 100% .sit.hqx
Zip Problems on an SE

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Hi there -

4 Megabytes IS plenty, but as the pocessors are the same, I was just
curious to know why a PB100 can address 8MB RAM, but a MacClassic and SE
can only use 4MB ?

If there is a map of the total memory in the computer (RAM+ROM) does the
PB100 ROM have an address that starts above 8MB, but the Classic only
starts above 4MB ? Then where is the memory map stored ? What would be the
problem(s) with a SCSI RAM board ?

Also, I remember reading a message which gave the URL of a Mac Error Codes
Dictionary, but I can't find it now. Can anyone help with the URL, or
explain what <Bad F-Line instruction> means, in the context of MacWrite 4.5
crashing on start up, on a MacClassic (Sys 7.0*) with a recently installed
PerformerPro ('030) accelerator ?

Everything else works just fine after a few days of intensive trouble
shooting, but MacWrite now only works with the accelerator completely
disabled. Still waiting to hear from MicroMac.

Would welcome any postings, pointers, e-mails, or advice.

And :

If you've just upgraded a cherished compact 68000 Mac to a 68030 processor,
it may be worth trying Sound Machine 2.1 (have found later version not so
co-operative). It seems to work with very few crashes and is useful as a
helper for MacWeb - now you can hear what Jag's band really sounds like...

available from (75k):

ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mac/Mosaic/Helpers/sound-machine-21.hqx

thanks,
richard.weltman

Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 22:35:38 -0400
To: classic-post
From: Nick Canterucci
Subject: PowerBook 100 and Mode 32

here's a update concerning getting the PB 100 on line....

I downloaded mode 32 and attempted to load it into the Powerbook..

installing it...When I attempted to engage it, I got a system BOMB
with a type 10 error! what do you think classic mac'ers??

what's my next move ?

thanks fer yer input

Mode32 is only for MacII, IIx IIcx and SE/30, 68000 based macs cannot
use it.

PBJ

I downloaded mode 32 and attempted to load it into the Powerbook..

installing it...When I attempted to engage it, I got a system BOMB
with a type 10 error! what do you think classic mac'ers??

Mode32 will not work on 68000 based Macs

jbipes

On 4/15/97 8:38 PM, Classic Posts wrote:

Subject: PowerBook 100 and Mode 32

here's a update concerning getting the PB 100 on line....

I downloaded mode 32 and attempted to load it into the Powerbook..

installing it...When I attempted to engage it, I got a system BOMB
with a type 10 error! what do you think classic mac'ers??

what's my next move ?

thanks fer yer input
Nick

There's no point running Mode 32. The PB100 will only access 8MB of
memory, does not have Virtual Memory and RAM Doubler won't run either; it
needs a 68030 chip and the PB100 has only a 68000.
So install 8MB of physical RAM. That's all you can get, and 24bit
addressing will use it happily. To get beyond 8MB, you'll need to move up
to a PB140/145/170/160/165/180. They all use the 68030 chip. Or go to the
5xx/190 series; they all run 68040s. But they are still pricey.

Dave

Dave Bogart

Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:18:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven Stewart
To: Classic Macs
Subject: Mac Plus and the SuperDrive

can a Plus use a superdrive? If so what would I need to make this upgrade.
btw I'm running with 4Mb ram, 170Mb HD and system 7.1

There was a 3rd party solution for your problem but an SE is the lowest
machine that can be modified to use a Superdrive.

PBJ

On 4/15/97 8:38 PM, Classic Posts wrote:

can a Plus use a superdrive? If so what would I need to make this upgrade.
btw I'm running with 4Mb ram, 170Mb HD and system 7.1

No, you need to have a ROM transplant to use the superdrive. Even the
early SEs that came with the DD only drives cannot use the HD/superdrives
until their ROMs are changed.

Dave

Dave Bogart

To: Classic Posts
From: David Buchner
Subject: Reading DOS Disks in a Mac
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 10:24:40 +0100

Subject: Classic Macs Digest 970407

As some of you may recall, I'm in the process of kitting out an SE/30
8/160 for my girlfriend's birthday. A large part of my plan was going to
be based on downloading stuff on the IBM and then disking it over to the
Mac... however, this plan was killed and maimed when I learned that
System 7.1, which came loaded on the SE/30, will apparently not use the
Superdrive to read PC disks.
Giles

Um, is that necessarily a SuperDrive in there? I'm real fuzzy about the
order of those things. Well, I guess you know whether you're using 1.44 meg
disks or not. But anyway, my LCII originally came with 7.0 and read IBM
disks just fine. So that's not your problem. However, you have to have the
"PC Exchange" control panel installed and active for it to recognize the
disks. Before PC E. was available, you hadda start up "Apple File Exchange"
and then insert the disk, and copy the files over to your Mac disk.

You are missing PC EXchange, or DOS Mounter, or Access PC, all do the
same basic job and various versions have added features and support more
types of storage devices.

PBJ

From: DavidKST
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:39:56 -0400 (EDT)
To: classic-post
Subject: Monitors and the Performa 460: Please respond!

I recently bought a demo 17" CTX monitor to use with my Performa 460
(68030/33MHz). I acquired the video cable adaptor for the Mac from CTX.
When I plug it in nothing happens, the screen is black. I have tried using
various settings on the monitor panel before I remove the original 13"
Apple monitor and attach the 17" CTX.

I plugged the 17" CTX into the Xceed card on my SE/30 and it works
perfectly. The 13" Apple monitor was supposed to go on the SE/30, does
anyone have a suggestion on how to get the 17" CTX started up on the
Performa?
David Tyler

Maybe the performa 460 don't support 17" monitor without a VRAM upgrade?
or your adaptor is set wrong? If it is a Multisync then set the adaptor
to a 14" monitor and see if you get a picture. If you bought a monitor
and adaptor then the supplier should be your first place to look for
support.

PBJ

From: Philpieri
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:37:54 -0400 (EDT)
To: classic-post
Subject: System 7.6 on LC II

I work in a school where one of the labs is still equipped of 13 Mac LC2s. We
have a few more of them in the classrooms. They are running System 7.5.5
perfectly well, and I recently ordered OS 7.6 for our stable of PowerMacs.

Do you recommend trying 7.6 on the LC2s? Is it going to bring anything new?
My LC2s have been upgraded to the max (10 Megs of RAM).

Thanks for your advice.

7.6 has better VM support which should work almost as well as
RamDoubler apart from that, Open Transport and DataViz translators are
good reason to upgrade.(IMHO)

PBJ

Subject: LC II Video Problem
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 97 06:02:34 -0000
From: "Duane O'Donnell"
To: classic-post

I was just given an LC II, but there is a problem with the video. The
unit boots up, and then only shows thin, black, vertical lines across the
screen.

Check the small batterin the LCII, and check to see if the VRAM is still
there and working OK.

PBJ

I am looking for a chess game which actually uses a board (not the
notation-type software) for my brother-in-law's Mac SE it has 4MB of RAM
and I was mostly thinking PD or shareware...

Anybody know of one?

Bill

There are a couple of Mac Plusses running system 6.0.8 (we're not
interested in upgrading the RAM so we can run system 7. I). I have been
able to set them up so they could receive email but haven't had much luck
with a web browser. I've tried Netscape 1.0 and Mac Web 1.1.1. Does any one
have any other suggestions?

Stephen Bunker

I have something called MacWWW on my web page.

Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/classic.html

It's a text only browser for Macs running system 6. I've never tried it, so
I don't know if it actually works. Give it a shot!

JAG

A weird little oasis on the web. Download my Subgenius music, Mac
shareware, other assorted waste of bandwidth.
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html

You're probably getting this response from all sides, but...

I'm using a 68000 Mac too (a powerbook 100), and I've learned painfully
thru trial and error that only MacWeb 1.00Alpha3.2 works at all reliably,
and sometimes Mosaic 1.0.3 for some things but no forms. You can't grab
text with normal copy and paste with the MacWeb, so you need this nifty
addon FKEY called "TextCapture FKEY".

HOWEVER, I don't know 'cause I haven't tried yet whether even this will run
without system 7.

I downloaded MacWeb 1.1.1 last week and it crashed the first time I tried
to save the prefs.

David Buchner

Stephen,

My suggestion: give up. No stand-alone browser will run on a Mac using any
version of system 6 (Lynx on your ISP's UNIX shell is the only one that will
work, but its NOT a stand-alone on the Mac side). System 7.0 is required for
older versions of MacWeb and Mosaic. I don't recall the system requirement of
Netscape Navigator 1.x, but it did require color, which leaves it out of
consideration for the Plus (and any b&w Mac) anyway.

You could upgrade these Pluses to 4 MB RAM for about $24 each, and have a
nice text/psuedo-graphic web browser using MacWeb 1.00a3.2/GIF-Converter
under 7.0, and all just for the cost of the RAM and the time to download 7.0 and the
web/graphics software. Plus, running 4 MB RAM will make the Plus more
responsive on non-Internet applications. Just a thought...

Regards,

Robert Eye

Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:49:40 -0600 (MDT)
To: classic-post
From: Stephen Bunker
Subject: Web Browser for System 6.0.8

There are a couple of Mac Plusses running system 6.0.8 (we're not
interested in upgrading the RAM so we can run system 7. I). I have been
able to set them up so they could receive email but haven't had much luck
with a web browser. I've tried Netscape 1.0 and Mac Web 1.1.1. Does any one
have any other suggestions?

Stephen Bunker

Please note, I'm not trying to be off-topic here; I'm only including this
in a post to MacClassics list because I feel I need to warn anyone to wants
to sign up for the MacWizards list:

1. I joined them several months ago, and after experiencing a lot of
hostility from them first hand, I promptly unsubscribed. There are tons
better Macintosh lists than MacWizards to join.

2. Don't ask about a digest version of the list unless you want to be
personally flamed. A digest version of the list does not exist and they
don't understand why anyone would need/want one. Sorry, but I never
understood this logic. The best I could get on this subject was from the
list mom who said that when she got around to it, she *might* think of
doing this. In the meantime she had other, more important, things to
do--like getting married.

3. This list mom (Pam? I think her name is) is not helpful in ways we
normally think of Mac list administrators to be helpful. Enough said, draw
whatever inferences from that you may, and a word to the wise is
sufficient.

Please do not write me and say what great experiences you are having
regarding the MacWizards list. I have no desire to rejoin them.

--bj
Apple //-///-Macintosh user, collector, supporter.

Okay, time to understand this. Anybody?

It's an add-on in System 6, built-in in System 7? Or is it in ROM in later Macs?
It doesn't work on a PowerBook 100. Is it the processor (all 68000's)? The
display (all monochromes)? Something else?

David Buchner

On 4/15/97 7:38 PM Philpieri thus spake:

I work in a school where one of the labs is still equipped of 13 Mac LC2s. We
have a few more of them in the classrooms. They are running System 7.5.5
perfectly well, and I recently ordered OS 7.6 for our stable of PowerMacs.

Do you recommend trying 7.6 on the LC2s? Is it going to bring anything new?
My LC2s have been upgraded to the max (10 Megs of RAM).

It runs pretty good on my Duo 230 (030 @33mhz), but it is a bit
slow. I guess about the same as 7.5.5. The extensions manager is real
nice though. Hard drive space is something to look at as well. 7.6 on my
internal 80 is using 29.9megs, and that's after I went in and trashed a
lot of stuff, like appleguide files. The drive in my dock has a more
standard install, in excess of 60 megs... ouch. The installer won't even
run unless you have more than 70 megs free. I'd say try it on one and
decide if you like it. The biggest advantage seems to be stability. 7.6
is as close to bullet proof on an old mac as I've seen so far, and I've
used everything from 6.0.8 on up. It runs daily on my Quadra 800 and Duo
230, with RamDoubler, and just doesn't ever crash. YMMV... But stay
tuned, I've heard that the alphas for system 8 are real stable too-and
alphas are *supposed* to crash. We live in interesting times... ;-)

Peace,

Edmund A. "Eddie" Hintz
Web page: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ehintz

I got a Mac Plus for free from a friend a few months ago; it runs great.
I'd like to put more RAM in it eventually and run some practical software on
it. But to do that I need to get a hard disk.

My question is: what's the largest capacity hard disk I can run on a Plus?
I'd really like to use one around 100MB to 250MB. Micro Center has a bunch
of Apple 500MB drives at a decent price; could I use one that big on a Plus?
I know there is something about an interleave ratio (3:1 or something like
that), but what I need to know is, what's the largest HD I could get and get
that ratio to the appropriate number?

Thanks, Geoff Kaiser

The Mac Plus can see any external SCSI device, up to two terabytes
total. (a terabyte is roughly equal to a thousand 1GB hard drives!)
That's as much storage as System 7.5.5 can see, and on a Plus, that's
enough. The interweave is set during formatting, and has nothing to do
with capacity, but with the speed of which a Plus can read data from the
hard drive. For more info on upgrading a Plus to maximum speed, check
out MacAddict's February 1997 issue. Their web address is
<www.macaddict.com>

Greg Koelpien

I've finally made all my shareware into .sit.hqx files for your
pleasure. Lots of cool exts and control panels, apps, etc for old Macs
and sys 7 Macs.

Learn how to make your Mac a web server for as little as $10. Get your
compact Mac on the web under system 6, and tons more.

Go to:

Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/Shareware.html

Jag

A weird little oasis on the web. Download my Subgenius music, Mac
shareware, other assorted waste of bandwidth.
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html

Howdy!

Great list ya'll.

Any Zip meisters out there?

I've recently installed a Zip drive on my SE (4meg ram, 50HD external) it
works fine but when I access the iomega drive options in the control
panel and choose one of the option buttons I bomb with an unimplemented
trap. Is there another version of the zip control panel that the classic
macs need?

Another thing, when I shutdown now, my once speedy mac makes me wait a
minute or two while the Iomega icon appears and spins for what seems to
be no apparent reason. This happens whether I have a zip disk in or not.

Any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.

Lyle Turner