Table of Contents for this issue:
The American Heritage Dictionary: Crash!
What You Can (and Cannot) Use System 7.6 On
System 7.6 Computer Limitations
Re: How to Remove SE/30 Internal HD? (1)
Re: How to Remove SE/30 Internal HD? (2)
Re: Graphical Chess Game for Mac SE?
Re: Color QuickDraw: Where is it, What is it?
PB 100 & Beyond...
Duo and International (?) Modem...
Virtual SuperDrive on a Plus
Mac Plus & MicroMac Accelerator
Chess Suggestion
Re: System 7.6 Computer Usage
7.1 on 800K disks?
7.6 Will Run on '030...8.0 Is Another Story...
How to Use Hard Disk 20?
Re: How to Remove SE/30 Internal HD? (3)
MacWeb 2 on an SE
Mac IIvx Boot Problem =(
Re: Zip Troubles on an SE
Re: How to Remove SE/30 Internal HD? (4)
Two Hard Disks _Inside_ a IIci?
Socket on Xceed SE/30 Color Card

Forgive the cross-postings, but I think I've seen this question pop up on
several lists.

For those wondering about the American Heritage Dictionary's propensity to
crash, here's the official answer from "The Learning Company," which now
markets the software.

(What remains unanswered is why Apple and/or the Learning Company equipped
32M RAM machines with AHD software that clearly *won't work* on those
machines. And who's responsible for providing the upgrade?)

Charles Meyerson

Versions 3.0 to 3.5 of the dictionary are incompatible with more than
18mb of RAM (either real or with virtual memory or RAM Doubler). You
can contact us here at Technical Support and purchase an upgrade to
the American Heritage Talking Dictionary 4.0 on CD which works well
with over 18 MB of RAM and RAM Doubler. When you receive version 4.0,
throw away an extension called ThreadsLib that the program installs.
It is designed for system 7.1 and causes crashes on the alternate
spelling option within the program on systems 7.5 or higher. Upgrades
can be purchased for $19.95, no shipping and handling. We will need
your address and credit card information.

If you need to respond back concerning this same issue please include
corresponding mails.

Again, thank you for choosing The Learning Company. If we can be of
further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Sincerely,

[snip--name omitted to protect the innocent]

The Learning Company Technical Support/Reference Products
(423)670-2086

Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:35:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Manuel Mejia
Subject: Re: System 7.6 Computer Usage

I have been told that System 7.6 will only work 68040 and powermacs
only.

System 7.5 and daughters were the last upgrades that are useful for
68000, 68020, and 68030 based machines. I got this information from
a Mac lab overseer.

The Info that I have is that 7.6 kills off the 24 bit Mac, 68000, Mac
II, Mac IIx, Mac IIcx and SE/30. Mac OS 8 will only work on '040 or
PowerMac.

PBJ

Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:35:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Manuel Mejia
Subject: Re: System 7.6 Computer Usage

I have been told that System 7.6 will only work 68040 and powermacs only.
System 7.5 and daughters were the last upgrades that are useful for
68000, 68020, and 68030 based machines. I got this information from an Mac
lab overseer.

Manuel Mejia, Jr.
Tampa, FLA.

My understanding is that 7.6.1 will work on those machines whose ROMs are
32 bit clean--an SE/30 can't use it, for example, but the IIsi can.

Marc Bodine
NYC

Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:38:57 -0700
From: Earl Williams
Subject: How to Remove SE/30 Internal HD?

Any tips on removing the internal hard drive from an SE/30 (I'm replacing
the 40Mb with a 80Mb) would be much appreciated. Do I really have to
disconnect and remoe the entire analog board in order to get screwdriver
access to the inboard screw (that holds the drive in the mounting
bracket)? Or am I going about this all wrong?

Thanks,
Earl Williams

Earl--

You're not trying to detach the drive from the bracket while the bracket
is installed are you? If so, there's your problem.

I just last week replaced the drive in my SE/30 with a 500MB drive from my
6100. I unscrewed the bracket for the expansion slot (3 screws), then
unscrewed two screws holding the bracket and drive in place. The bracket
screws are just under the rear of the drive, facing back. It seemed easy to
lose a screw in there so use a magnetic screwdriver and/or tilt the machine
so that a wayward screw falls clear and doesn't get lost somewhere on the
logic board. (I used a plastic spoon to catch the screw as it came out, and
I DON'T recommend this technique). I could then pull out the drive and its
bracket as a unit.

I read somewhere that the expansion slot bracket is welded in place on some
SE/30s, which will make things tougher. But even then, the analog board
shouldn't really be in the way of anything. Good luck.

Marc Bodine
NYC

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Be careful when using a magnetic screwdriver around your
Mac. I wouldn't recommend it, as it can mess-up the screen and do uncomfortable
things to disks, too. After all, what's the disk read/write head?]

Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:38:57 -0700
From: Earl Williams
Subject: How to Remove SE/30 Internal HD?

Any tips on removing the internal hard drive from an SE/30 (I'm replacing
the 40Mb with a 80Mb) would be much appreciated. Do I really have to
disconnect and remoe the entire analog board in order to get screwdriver
access to the inboard screw (that holds the drive in the mounting
bracket)? Or am I going about this all wrong?

Thanks,
Earl Williams

The should be 2 screws at the end of the HD bracket holding the bracket
to the Floppy drive mount. They can be seen behind the ribbon cable that
connects to the HD. BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO KNOCK THE END OF THE PICTURE
TUBE, CRT!!!

crack, fssssssssssssssssssssh, to late...

PBJ

Subject: Graphical Chess Game for Mac SE? (7.0)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 22:18:15 -0600
From: Bill Vinson

I am looking for a chess game which actually uses a board (not the
notation-type software) for my brother-in-law's Mac SE it has 4MB
of RAM and I was mostly thinking PD or shareware...

Anybody know of one?

you may find some of the old software items like Chessmaster or the
original Battlechess for Mac in someones cupboard.

PBJ

Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:49:04 -0600
From: David Buchner
Subject: Color QuickDraw: Where is it, What is it?

Okay, time to understand this. Anybody?

It's an add-on in System 6, built-in in System 7? Or is it in ROM in later
Macs?

It doesn't work on a PowerBook 100. Is it the processor (all 68000's)? The
display (all monochromes)? Something else?

It was a system patch to add 32 bit Color Quickdraw to non-68000 Macs. A
bug in the early version showed it loading on 68000 based Macs, the icon
appeared at start up, but it actually did nothing. Used with System 6
and early system 7(?), later it just became part of the system file.

PBJ

Text based Web Surfing?

A couple of years ago my ISP had a 'terminal' log-in facility which
enabled text based software to surf the net and the web. No pictures
just text. It actually worked very well. I'm not sure that this sort of
thing is still around but if information is all that you want then it
may be worth chasing.

PBJ

Just a quick email to THANK all who TOOK the time to offer
suggestions on how to get my stubborn PB 100,known as 'Mousemeat'
on the web to collect email...so far,no luck...but sooner or later!
mean while,my PB 170 puts it to shame...Everyone THANKS!

on the flip side....I was recently given three near mint classic macs..

A mac PLUS (4mb ram no HD 800k external floppy) with KB/mouse..A mac SE
(2.5mb ram 20 internal hd) kb/mouse and a SE30 20mb ram 230 hd..

however, I don't have the time and room to mess around with em..the old lady
has sez 'MOVE 'EM on out!..(sheesh) these are very CLEAN macs..if you'll
interested in grabbing one of em...email me and we'll see what we can come
up with....AGAIN people..thanks fer the advice,which proves that MAC people
truly care..unlike wintel people....hmmm,this @#$% PB 100..

all the best to all!

Nick

Hi,

I need a pinout scheme for Duo's internal modem (Int'l version with DB-8
- not US with RJ-11). I need to connect this Duo to standard RJ-11 socket
but I can't buy an adaptor cable.

TIA
pedro

Subject: Hard Drive for Mac Plus
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 97 02:20:19 -0600
From: Geoff Kaiser
To: classic-post

Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:18:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven Stewart
To: Classic Macs
Subject: Mac Plus and the SuperDrive

can a Plus use a superdrive? If so what would I need to make this upgrade.
btw I'm running with 4Mb ram, 170Mb HD and system 7.1

There was a 3rd party solution for your problem but an SE is the lowest
machine that can be modified to use a Superdrive.

PBJ

This is MOSTLY true. Even though the Plus can't see a SuperDrive, it CAN
see a VIRTUAL SuperDrive using Shrinkwrap. I've used it to install
software from high density disks onto my Plus that couldn't be installed
over Appletalk. However, I needed my other Mac to copy the image files
over to the Plus. If you live on a desert island with only a Mac Plus &
high density floppies, there's no way to get the Plus to read the disks
as is.

Greg Koelpien

I am attempting to install a Performer accelerator card into a Mac Plus
with 4 meg RAM. However, when I install the software for the card, the
computer will freeze when I try to open a document, a program or whatever.
(It starts up fine and all appears to be OK until you try to use
something.) This happens under 6.0.7 and 7.0.

One other thing. With the card in and software installed, the desktop,
under 7.0, will get to the end of a rebuild and freeze.

I have written to MicroMac but they have not replied.

THANKS!

Home Page- http://www.spacetech.com/wzpage/

Subject: Graphical Chess Game for Mac SE? (7.0)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 22:18:15 -0600
From: Bill Vinson

I am looking for a chess game which actually uses a board (not the
notation-type software) for my brother-in-law's Mac SE it has 4MB of RAM
and I was mostly thinking PD or shareware...

Anybody know of one?

At at least a few sites should carry "GNU Chess Mac 4.04b" or some such
version number. It works just fine on my Classic, so I'd think the SE
would have no problems with it.

William

William Voelker
University of Kansas

On 4/17/97 11:55 PM, classic-post thus spake:

I have been told that System 7.6 will only work 68040 and powermacs only.
System 7.5 and daughters were the last upgrades that are useful for
68000, 68020, and 68030 based machines. I got this information from an Mac
lab overseer.

He's wrong. 7.6 works on any 32 bit clean machine. It *won't* work
on any machine which needs mode32, meaning the SE/30, IIx and IIcx among
others, but it will work fine (albeit slow) on most all of the 68030
macs. I'm writing this with 7.6.1 & Emailer 2.0, on a Duo 230
(68030@33mhz). 32 bit clean is the operative term here, not processor
type... I got this information is from Apple... For the curious, the
addressing information can be found in the AppleSpec database, which is
on the ftp sites in the utilities directory.

Peace,
Edmund A. Hintz
Web page: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ehintz

Dear Classic Mac:

We have a freshly refurbished 4 Mb Mac Plus that we want to use for email
and newsgroups. Can we download System 7.1 in some form that can easily be
transferred to 800K floppies? I know several people are running System 7.x
on these older machines, but I'm not up to speed on disk images and so forth
- please enlighten me!

BTW I already have the suggested software list for older Macs that appears
here regularly.

aTdHvAaNnKcSe

Mike McNeil

Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:35:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Manuel Mejia
Subject: Re: System 7.6 Computer Usage

I have been told that System 7.6 will only work 68040 and powermacs only.
System 7.5 and daughters were the last upgrades that are useful for
68000, 68020, and 68030 based machines. I got this information from an Mac
lab overseer.

Manuel Mejia, Jr.
Tampa, FLA.

I think your Mac lab overseer has a few things confused. 7.6 *will* work on
an '030. Whether it's worthwhile on an '030 is another story altogether. I
am sticking with 7.5.3 myself.

8.0 might be another story too. This might be the first System release with
an '040 or better requirement. Of course I don't work for Apple nor know
anyone who does so I am not an authority on this.

Take care,
--.\\<-H--

Michelle Klein-Hass: Web Goddess/Animation Nerd/Troublemaker

I have recently aquired a Hard Disk 20 for my 512K Mac, non-SCSI, of
course. What are the basics I need to know to use it? I attached it to my
128 and my 512 but it does not appear on the desktop. I have an application
called HD 20 Test which seems to see the drive and reports that it tests
OK, but still it does not mount. What am I missing? I have a file called HD
20 in my System Folder. Is something else required?

Thanks, Jon

In a message dated 4/18/97 2:51:34 AM, earl wrote:

"Any tips on removing the internal hard drive from an SE/30 (I'm replacing
the 40Mb with a 80Mb) would be much appreciated. Do I really have to
disconnect and remoe the entire analog board in order to get screwdriver
access to the inboard screw (that holds the drive in the mounting
bracket)? Or am I going about this all wrong?"

What you should do is go from the rear of the machine. You will need a fairly
long phillips screw driver. I have had the best luck insterting the
screwdriver thru the holes in the back of the chassis. There are 2 tabs that
bend down on the back of the HD bracket. These screw into the back of the
floppy drive. Remove these 2 screws (L & R) and lift the HD up and back (be
careful of the picture tube neck) to disengage the front tabs of the HD
bracket. These tabs slip into slots on the top front of the floppy. Then
remove the HD out the open side of the machine. After that, it's easy to get
at all 4 screws on the sides of the HD bracket.

Brian Scarborough

Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:37:52 -0700 (PDT)
To: classic-post
From: John Stephens
Subject: MacWeb 2.0 on an SE?

Hi
I would like to up-grade to MacWeb 2.0 from MacWeb 1.00A 3.2 but cannot
seem to locate a copy. Anyone know where I can find it?

Is there any reason MW 2.0 cannot be used on my SE, 8mb ram with an 030
accelerator?? sys 7.1...

Thanks,
John

Hello All

For those of you who want to get on the web with a browser on a Plus, SE
or SE/30, Portable or other 68000 series Mac, here's the URL for the
MacWeb browser:

Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/macweb.hqx

It will work with Macs with 4 megs minimum.

Here's the URL for an instruction manual on how to do it:

Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/compactmac.hqx

For TONS of shareware for older Macs, go to:

http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/classic.html

and for my shareware page, go to:

http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/Shareware.html

Enjoy!

Macweb2.0 will work on your SE

jag
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html

I am having a problem with my old Mac IIvx. I tried to clean off and
format the hard drive. Now.. when I tried to boot from the System 7.1 disk
tools or install disk it says that version 7.1 won't work with this model
of a Mac? It was running system 7.1 before though?

I even hooked up a good working spare hard drive with system 7.1 that I
used to use with an SE/30, and I get the same message.

Is there some additional startup disk I need to boot the IIvx, so I can
re-install the system 7.1? Thanks for any help =)

T.J. Patterson
http://www.primenet.com/~monoply/credit.html

Howdy!

Great list ya'll.

Any Zip meisters out there?
I've recently installed a Zip drive on my SE (4meg ram, 50HD external) it
works fine but when I access the iomega drive options in the control
panel and choose one of the option buttons I bomb with an unimplemented
trap. Is there another version of the zip control panel that the classic
macs need?

Another thing, when I shutdown now, my once speedy mac makes me wait a
minute or two while the Iomega icon appears and spins for what seems to
be no apparent reason. This happens whether I have a zip disk in or not.

Any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.

Lyle Turner

I think you are using the latest version of the Zip Tools 5.0.1.
I don't know the reason why it doesn't work with your SE (I can guess it
requires 32 bit clean), but at Iomega site you can find the previous
version of the Zip Tools 4.3 software .That's the one I use on my SE with
no problems,as for the other problem it should disappear after you
install the older Zip Tools 4.3

Good luck
LF

"Mac to The future"
http://members.aol.com/mac2k

Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:38:57 -0700
From: Earl Williams
Subject: How to Remove SE/30 Internal HD?

Any tips on removing the internal hard drive from an SE/30 (I'm replacing
the 40Mb with a 80Mb) would be much appreciated. Do I really have to
disconnect and remoe the entire analog board in order to get screwdriver
access to the inboard screw (that holds the drive in the mounting
bracket)? Or am I going about this all wrong?

Thanks,
Earl Williams

removing the board is really no big deal. you just disconnect the cables
that go to the hard disk, floppy disk, and power. the board then just
slides out a bid, and you then flip it off.

still, i manage to unscrew the screws without removing the board. you
just need to have thin fingers and be very agile with your hands.

hilal

hi everyone,

i have a IIci running system 7.5.5 (runs like a breeze). i want to
increase hard disk capacity but do not want to buy a larger disk. also,
because my daughter uses the machine, i am not happy with the external
hard disk solution that i now have (230mb internal, 160mb external). i
notice that there is enough space in the IIci's drive bay for 2 'thin'
(half height?) drives. but is there a way to get the scsi chain and power
to the second hard disk?

thanks for the advice.
hilal

Anyone who knows:

1. There is a white plastic socket with spots for 8 to 12 pins on the color
card I installed in my SE/30 (Micron Xceed). Whatsitfor???

2. Where do the black and white patterns go from Desktop Patterns when I
have the color monitor connected? All of a sudden I have 0 patterns, and
have to remove the prefs for a new color set of patterns to be built. I
would have guessed that a color monitor would have access to the B&W
patterns, if not visa-versa.

3. I stumbled across this. Maybe everyone knows it already. If you use the
shift key at startup with an SE/30, and I would guess with all 32-bit dirty
030s, you lose 32 bit addressing. But if you punch the shift key just after
the pre-"Welcome to Macintosh" screen blink, you'll start up without
extensions (including without Mode 32 being loaded) but you will have full
32 bit addressing. My guess is that Mode 32 must write something to PRAM,
so everything for 32-bit addressing happens before the Welcome screen,
perhaps before the disk is accessed at all.

Marc Bodine