Table of Contents for this issue:
PowerBook 170 Socket Suggestion
Wingz and Claris Resolve
Performa 550 PPC Upgrade
Re: Where to clip on a Mac Plus
Re: When is a Modem a Modem
800K Disks: Fuzz with SuperDrives
Claris Em@iler 1.1--Where?
Netscape on Older Macs
Re: Netscape on Older Macs
Re: MacWrite II / MacDraw II Size of Installed System 7?
Where to get NetscapeDefrost?

Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 08:48:33 -0600
To: classic-post
From: D. Buchner
Subject: PowerBook Socket--Neat; what is it?

I just got a big ole' PowerBook 170. When I bought it, the guy said it
doesn't have an internal modem, but now I get to looking, and it seems to
have *something* installed where the modem would be. It's not an RJ11
connector like you'd expect, more like a standard round serial port, but
with more (and squarer) pins. Does anyone have a suggestion about what this
might be? My first thought was some kind of ethernet or othernet connector,
but that doesn't make this plug any more familiar. . . Perhaps it's a rare
and wonderful and extremely valuable thing I could exchange for an internal
modem?

could be a socket for an external video?

PBJ

On 4/27/97 6:27 PM, David Buchner Classic Posts wrote:

To: classic-post
From: D. Buchner
Subject: PowerBook Socket--Neat; what is it?

I just got a big ole' PowerBook 170. When I bought it, the guy said it
doesn't have an internal modem, but now I get to looking, and it seems to
have *something* installed where the modem would be. It's not an RJ11
connector like you'd expect, more like a standard round serial port, but
with more (and squarer) pins. Does anyone have a suggestion about what this
might be? My first thought was some kind of ethernet or othernet connector,
but that doesn't make this plug any more familiar. . . Perhaps it's a rare
and wonderful and extremely valuable thing I could exchange for an internal
modem?

I think you have a connection for an early Global Village modem. They
used to come with a kind of dongle that had a connection like you
mention, and it, in turn accepted the RJ11 connections for the phone. It
had two phone connections, so you could leave your phone connected and
use it when you weren't online, without having to rearrange connections.
I had a Silver one like you describe on my 140. If I remember, it was on
the left side of the case as you look at the back. They stopped making
that connection because it was so easy to forget to bring the dongle and
be unable to telecommunicate.

All the best, Dave

Dave Bogart

Subject: Where to find Claris Resolve?

Do any "Classic Gurus" out there know where I can buy a copy of "Claris
Resolve"?

Wingz v1, was converted to Claris Resolve, which died. Claris offered a
cheap upgrade to Clarisworks.

Wingz 2 is out and is a mean spreadsheet app that handles bigger files
than Excel. There was a beta copy out 'there' somewhere.

PBJ

Hey, all,

A couple days ago someone asked about an Apple program to upgrade P550's to
PowerMacs for about US$600. I found a copy of a Reuters story on the
subject, hangin' around my HD since back in early March, when I clipped it to
send to a chum. Sorry it isn't a piece of Apple info with addresses and
phone numbers, etc.

BTW, MPO is that this wouldn't be a very good deal, in any case: One can buy
refurbished PM61XXs for $600 these days, and after you sell the P550, you
should be able to buy all the RAM you can use, plus a refurb 15" monitor, and
have a system somewhat greater than the upgraded 550 (which would be a
way-cool machine, granted).

Anyway, here's the article:

GaryC95687

Apple Computer settles government charges on ads

By Reuters
March 3, 1997 12:35:16 PM EST

WASHINGTON (Reuter) - Apple Computer agreed
Monday to offer bargain upgrades for consumers
who bought its entry-level "Performa" computers,
settling government charges it misrepresented the
machines in its advertising.

The Federal Trade Commission announced that
consumers who purchased a Performa 550,
Performa 560 or Macintosh LC550 machine would
be eligible to purchase Power PC Upgrade Kits at
less than half the original list price.

The FTC charged Apple sold the computers with the
promise of upgrades within a "reasonable time,'' but
did not deliver.

"The upgrade was not offered for at least one year
after Apple began representing that these
computers were upgradeable,'' the commission said
in a statement. "Once offered, the upgrade was so
expensive it cost almost as much as an entirely new
PowerPC computer."

Under the agreement, Apple will offer the upgrade
for the reduced price of $599. Those who purchased
the upgrade at the original price of $1,375 will get
rebates of $776, the FTC announced.

The upgrade kit includes all necessary hardware
and software -- including four megabytes of random
access memory (RAM) -- and a coupon for free
installation.

To guard against the possibility Apple might run out
of the hardware, it has the option of substituting a
new PowerPC system, the government said.

"Apple's offer to compensate thousands of
consumers will help assure the public that
advertising must be truthful,'' Jodie Bernstein,
director of the commission's Bureau of Consumer
Protection, said in a statement.

"Somewhere on the net I once saw a diagram of a Plus where I could see where
the little dingy was located on the board, but I can't find it anymore. Can anyone
tell me where to find it?"

I know the web page you're talking about; strangely enough it's called
"How to Install 4MB of RAM in a Mac Plus"; it's at

http://voice.uwp.edu/~jkinsey/Rasputin/installram.html

(Just tried it; it works!)

GK

Are modems compatible in either the IBM and/or Apple realms?

That is, Can an external 28.8 Hayes Compatible modem from the netherworld of
ibm be used in a MacIntosh environment.

I think so. I have used several different non-Mac specific modems with
various Macs. You just need a cable to go from the umpty-pin rs-232
connector on "standard" external modems to the Mac serial port
(specifically a "hardware handshaking" cable if it's a newer modem). You
may have to cuss at it some while figuring out which init strings to use to
make it get along with your computer.

David Buchner

From: Tina
What's all the fuzz about? My MacPlus just eats HD disks and reformat them,
no tape or labels needed.

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Tina, the fuzz is that, on a machine with a SuperDrive,
you must fake it into thinking that a 1.44MB disk is really an 800K disk by
covering-up the little notch opposite the write-protect notch. Otherwise,
the drive will treat it as a high-density disk. If your machine has 400K
or 800K drives, they can't detect and won't care about 1.44MB disks, so if
you put one in your Plus' drive, you're right--you won't need to do
anything.]

HOWEVER, remember that if you do this, and then try to carry data to a
later-model Mac with a SuperDrive, by sticking that HD-formatted-as-DD disk
into it, without covering up that hole, it'll want to reformat it again,
because it'll see an HD (hole) disk without a correct format (800K).

David Buchner

Hello, Mac fans:

I have an interesting problem. I have to use Eudora 1.3.1 with my Mac SE
to do the Digest for all of you. To do this and maintain my sanity, I
run my 68020 accelerator to speed-up the heavy cutting and pasting
activities. However, this old, System 6-compatible version of Eudora
isn't sophisticated enough to handle multiple accounts, so I have to use
a different mail reader for my personal account. I hunted high and low
throughout the Internet to try and find a mail program that would work on
my SE, accelerated or not. I went through Lee Mail, but it crashed with
an "address error." Eventually, I had to use Claris Em@iler 1.1 (which,
supposedly, won't work on a 68000, since it says it needs a 68020
minimum, but I will tell you quite firmly that Em@iler does work on a
Plus/SE and works well at that [though you'd want to accelerate it if you
could]!). So here's my problem:

According to the MacintoshOS.com website (http://www.macintoshos.com),
Claris was giving away Em@iler 1.1 for a while until it was superseded by
2.0 and Claris didn't want anybody getting old freebies. However,
MacOS.com said that, at least for a while, you could get the "off the
shelf" version of Em@iler 1.1 from Claris' site. Now you can only get a
trial version, which shuts off after 30 days. So here's my question:

Was MacOS.com treating the full-featured but timed demo version as the
"off-the-shelf" version simply due to its full functionality? Or was
there really a full, unlocked version that was previously downloadable
that is now gone? If so, does someone have a copy of the old freeware
version salted away? Please try to clarify this for me!

Thanks in advance,

Nathan Marler

Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 00:43:43 -0600
To: classic-post
From: David G. Wood
Subject: Netscape on Older Macs

There has been some mention in recent posts to the effect that Netscape
Navigator will only work on Macs with a 68030 or later chip. This is not
correct.

Netscape Navigator version 3.01 comes with an installer that allows the
user to select the type of Mac the user has. Here is a snipet from the
Version 3.01 "Read Me":

"The installer will allow you to choose which type of
"Navigator to place on your hard disk. You can select a
"version designed to run on 68000 machines, Power
"Macintoshes, or a FAT binary for any Macintosh.

I am running NN version 2.01 on my Mac LC (68020) very successfully. Ver.
2.01 asks for 4296K but I give it 5296K and have the extension
NetscapeDefrost ver.0.9b2 and have no "freeze" problems. I even ran version
3.01 for a while on my 68020 Mac, but went back to V2.01 since V3.01 wanted
more RAM (12 - 16 MB) than I could give it.

Hope this helps clear up some confusion.

David
David G. Wood (Dave & Babs)
http://w3.trib.com/~dwood/

ONE last time...

1. No version (NOT even the Alpha .001) of Netscape Navigator will run on
ANY Mac without CQD in ROM.

When you see "68000 machines, Power Macintoshes, or a FAT binary", it means
68K chip machines (late `20s, all `30s, all `40s), not SPECIFICALLY a 68000
chip machine (no release 68000 chip machine ever had CQD in ROM, nor can
you add it).

2. There are NO ColorQuickDraw emulators for 68000 machines (the CQD
extension supplied in some releases of System 6 allows those machines with
CQD in ROM to have the system recognize the ROM).

Too bad too, as having CQD means you can print in GS (grayscale).

This is besides the memory requirements of any version of Netscape for
stock compact Macs (even maxed to 4 megs), and the load times that would be
involved.

Hope this clears up the often asked "Netscape on my mind, but not on my
compact Mac" issue :-)

IGHA/HorseAid Volunteer

Thanks to IGHA/HorseAid Volunteer for
clarifying some muddled points in my recent post:

IGHA/HorseAid Volunteer:

1. No version (NOT even the Alpha .001) of Netscape Navigator will run on
ANY Mac without CQD in ROM.

When you see "68000 machines, Power Macintoshes, or a FAT binary", it means
68K chip machines (late `20s, all `30s, all `40s), not SPECIFICALLY a 68000
chip machine (no release 68000 chip machine ever had CQD in ROM, nor can
you add it).

Absolutely correct! The text of the installer "Read Me" is misleading.

IGHA/HorseAid Volunteer:

2. There are NO ColorQuickDraw emulators for 68000 machines (the CQD
extension supplied in some releases of System 6 allows those machines with
CQD in ROM to have the system recognize the ROM).

Too bad too, as having CQD means you can print in GS (grayscale).

I was completely unaware of the ColorQuickDraw (CQD) inadequacy of
pre-68020 machines. Thanks again for the added knowledge.

The main reason for my posting was because in someones recent post the
statement was made that Netscape "would not work" on 68020 machines, and I
knew that to not be correct.

Thank goodness we have folks out there like IGHA/HorseAid Volunteer to keep those of us with "a little knowledge" from being "a dangerous thing"

Happy computing....David

David G. Wood

On 26/4/97 Keith VEITCH wrote:

The only problem is my word-processing and drawing software packages
are all System 7 only. So for practical and nostalgia reasons I would
like to use MacWrite II and MacDraw II (which I broke my teeth in the
mac labs at university). Does anyone have the disks of these programs
for sale (preferably but not absolutely UK English versions)? No
manuals needed... hey, I am a Mac user! I would ideally like the
versions which use XTND filters.

Use Clarisworks version 2 (v3 might also work). CW2 needs system 6.0.4 or
later and ran very nicely on my GF's Mac II (2MB of RAM, Sys 6.0.7). At
one time Claris were GIVING it away (At UK Apple Expo '95). I don't know
if it's still given away. It is really good.

BTW Since then I've upgraded my GF's Mac - to 8M, using SIMMS from an old
386 PC which someone was dumping - ironically the 386 was far newer than
the MacII!

Andrew Morley

I understand that 800 KB disk images for early versions of System 7 are available.
But aren't these the Install disks? If I download them and run the
Installer on a newer, bigger Mac, can I produce one 800 KB bootable
system disk to use with my Mac Plus 4/0?

Thanks,
-rh

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: Robert, you can produce the disk images from just about
whatever Mac you like assuming that you get Disk Copy from Apple's site
(ftp://ftp2.info.apple.com). The last freeware System that is available
for ready download in 800K disk image form is 7.0. The disk image that
would create your 800K bootable System 7 disk is image #8, "Disk Tools"
(you needn't run the Installer). The problem here is this: To fit the
fairly big System file on an 800K disk is tough; when I put System 7 on my
SE, I found out that Apple dodged the space problem by putting a System
6.0.7 System file and Finder on the 800K Disk Tools disk. If you get
7.0.1, you get a very stripped-down version of the real System 7.0.1 System
file on your Disk Tools disk, but there is precious little room for
anything else, and besides--System 7.0.1 comes on 1.44MB disk images, and
that won't do your Plus any good.]

Robert Hall

At 03:27 PM 4/27/97 -0700, you wrote:

I am running NN version 2.01 on my Mac LC (68020) very successfully. Ver.
2.01 asks for 4296K but I give it 5296K and have the extension
NetscapeDefrost ver.0.9b2 and have no "freeze" problems. I even ran version

What is this extension, and what is the problem it solves? I ask because my
girlfriend has Netscape 2.something on her powermac (8500/16MB) and every
now and again it locks up the system (error 12, I think). Perhaps she needs
NetscapeDefrost? Thanks!

Uncle Roger
http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/