Table of Contents for this issue:
Old Software and Copyrights
StyleWriter Funkiness?
Macintosh Plus SIMM Request?
Re: CD-ROM Auto-Mount Question
SCSI Probe and CD-ROMs
Load-A-Drive and CD-ROM Automounting
SCSI Devices and Driver Dilemmas
Re: LCIII System Woes
Cruising the 'Net with a Plus
More on Licensing System Software
Web Browser for Mac II?
LCIII System Woes: Get the Enabler
Minimum System Requirements for LCIII
LCIII Minimum System
E-mail the Classic Way
Re: Mac Plus on the Internet
Sad Mac SE?
Need HD and RAM?
Lynx?
Bulk 800K Disk Source
SE/30 HDD Upgrade?

As I'm sure everyone realizes, a copyright is not forfeit just because a
product is no longer offered for sale, so the author/publisher is still
entitled to all rights to their product.

Having stated the obvious, it must also be obvious that if the product
is long since obsolete and the company that produced it is also extinct,
then there is little chance that anyone would prosecute you if you shared
it with another collector. I like to think that the author would be
grateful that someone wanted to save his work from oblivion!

From: D. Buchner

What are the ramifications of giving away copies of formerly expensive, now obsolete
software to fellow users? This is usually stuff that there's
noplace besides Salvation Army or Goodwill that anyone CAN buy it anymore,
so it's not like the company is "losing money" over it. Many of the
companies no longer exist, even. Nevertheless, I usually restrain myself
from saying "hey! I've got that, I'll email you a copy."

David Buchner

Hello, all:

I just got a StyleWriter and it worked great for about a week--ultra-crisp
text and all. Then, the text would intermittently be streaked with lines
where the ink would not hit. After a reprint, all would be well.
Eventually, nothing at all came out, so I decided to buy a new black ink
cartridge, since the one that came with the printer was apparently drained.

No problem!

So I went to Staples and got one. I put it in, and it put out one fuzzy
gray character and nothing else. No amount of attempts could get any ink
out. I returned the cartridge, and got another that was stored in an
upright position. I put it in and--nothing.

My StyleWriter will not print so much as a dot. It is apparent that the
signal to release the ink is not getting to the cartridge. I can only
guess that the contacts on the device in which the cartridge snaps are worn
or dirty, but I haven't tried shooting them with cleaner (I don't have any
electronics cleaner). I called RadioShack about repairing it, but that's
$79 labor, and the thing only cost me $60 when I bought it from a teacher!
Please help--I think this printer is great and I'd hate to chuck it after a
week (and chuck $60 along with it). :-(

Thanks in advance for any advice you can give,

Nathan Marler

Hi, does anyone have any 1 meg 30 pin SIMM's laying around? If you do
please let me know, i can't offer much for them, (I am only 12 years
old) but i will pay shipping. Thanks in advance.

bheather

Actually, I forgot to include a little tidbit- SCSI Probe doesn't mount my
CD ROM after startup if the CD ROM is off when I start up. I have to re-start
my Mac in (with the CD ROM on) for my Mac to automount the CD ROM.

I believe you missed a remark in yesterday's classic mac about this.
The remark said that when you turn on your machine, it looks for a CD-ROM,
and if it does not find it, it will not load the CD-ROM driver. So, anytime
thereafter, even if you use SCSI Probe to try to activate the CD-ROM, nothing
will come up because the CD-ROM driver is not loaded. You must re-start with
the CD-ROM powered up to get the machine to load the driver. There may be a
work-around concerning this. If you can locate the CD-ROM driver and put an
alias in your startup folder (inside the System Folder), that might work
(this would force the machine to load the driver at startup, even though the
CD-ROM was not on). Since my CD is internal, I can not test this. However, I
only have my CD activated (using Conflict Catcher) if I start/re-start and
make it load the CD extension/s, so the CD driver is probably an extension
inside your System Folder. Anyone have a comment concerning this?

Bill, retired in MS

JAG writes:

Actually, I forgot to include a little tidbit- SCSI Probe doesn't mount my
CD ROM after startup if the CD ROM is off when I start up. I have to
re-start my Mac in (with the CD ROM on) for my Mac to automount the CD ROM.

SCSI probe won't mount your CD 'cause you don't have a software driver
loaded in the machine for it. It won't load if it doesn't see a CD at
startup time. If you have a bootable CD in the drive then it may work
but possibly only with an apple drive. There was some 3rd party drivers
that would load just in case you added a CD later, I think that CD-ROM
toolkit version 2 will mount a drive that has been added after the
machine has been started.

PBJ

There is a freeware program called Load-A-Drive that will load the CD-ROM
driver for this situation. It should be available at Info-Mac and other
various archives and mirrors. I know it works with Apple's drivers but I am
not sure about 3rd party drivers (the abstract on the hyperarchive indicates
that it works with older versions of FWB CD-ROM Toolkit). It was last updated
in 1994, but it works fine with Apple's 5.3.2 CD-ROM software. I keep an
alias of it in my Apple Menu Items folder, as it gets used quite frequently.

SCSI Probe I believe looks to ID the drive and then looks for the driver on
the (hard)disk drive. Since CD-ROMs do not have drivers on them (the driver
loads as part of the OS), SCSI Probe will not mount the CD-ROM drive.

Regards,
Robert Eye

JAG writes:

This isn't really a classic mac question but...

Why is it that every time I start up my Centris, my CD ROM drive has to
be on (it's an external) for it to mount automatically?

SCSI devices are "intelligent," that is, they talk to each other. When
the Mac calls for devices, the ones that are turned off can't answer.

You can always use SCSI Probe to mount devices you turn on after the fact.

Hope this helps!

Larry.Kollar

Actually, I forgot to include a little tidbit- SCSI Probe doesn't mount my
CD ROM after startup if the CD ROM is off when I start up. I have to
re-start my Mac in (with the CD ROM on) for my Mac to automount the CD ROM.

Any thoughts?

JAG
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html

JAG wrote:

Actually, I forgot to include a little tidbit- SCSI Probe doesn't mount my
CD ROM after startup if the CD ROM is off when I start up. I have to
re-start my Mac in (with the CD ROM on) for my Mac to automount the CD ROM.

Any thoughts?

A CD drive is not a normal SCSI device.
There is no driver on the disk.
So you need a driver loaded.
But these driver extensions tend to turn themselves
off if there is no CD device to connect to.

But the FWB CD driver will try to load a driver "after the fact"
and sometimes not crash your computer!

Bruce

Andrew,

The Mac LCIII *requires*, as a minimum, MacOS 7.1 *with* System Enabler 003
installed. You can still get 7.1 from Apple and the mail-order places, or
from Sun Remarketing for a little better price ($35, no manuals). You can
download the System Enabler directly from Apple's ftp site. You'll also need
to download the System Update 3.0 (for 1.4 MB disks) from Apple's ftp site and
run it, after you complete the base install of 7.1.

Not having the enabler with 7.1 is the problem.

As you found out, 7.0.1 is too old of a version of the OS to run your LCIII.

Regards,
Robert Eye

Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 14:13:56 AST
From: Andrew Pickett
Subject: LCIII System Woes?

Hello, fellow classicists. Hoping you could help me out:

I while ago I bought an LCIII, used, for a friend. I know a bit about Macs,
but I'm not much of a technician. Anyway, this LCIII had System 7.5
installed, which I decided to excise on the grounds that it was (i)
unlicensed (ii) unnecessary (iii) difficult to maintain, since we didn't have
installer disks for it. So, I chose to install 7.0.1.

It turns out that the LCIII seems to be "addicted" to 7.5. Even reformatting
the hard drive, removing the battery, etc. have failed to convince it that
"you need newer system software for this Mac", even with System 7.1 disks.

Strangely, the machine won't start up with *any* floppy, not even a Norton
3.1 emergency disk, which handles a Power Mac quite beautifully. Won't start
up, I say, except... with the Sys 7.1 "Disk Tools" disk. Not the Install
disk, but Disk Tools. Very perplexing.

Finally I copied over the minimal system from the 7.1 DT and built a semi-
functional system folder around that. It didn't entirely work - there are
some serious problems with system function, although it's usable in a general
sort of way.

Suggestions?

Andrew Pickett
Halifax, Canada

Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 01:58:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Lewis Dering
Subject: Mac Plus on the Internet?

Hi! I'll be honest, I've not sifted through the archives on this one, so
if this has been answered a dozen times before, and if there's any one who
happens to know which issue of the digest I should go to, I'd really
appreciate a pointer.

With no further ado, my question is: I'm about to acquire a Mac Plus, and
I was unsure of its capabilities. Can I connect it to the net?

James Dering

James

For those of you who want to get on the web with a browser on a Plus, SE
or SE/30, Portable or other 68000 series Mac, here's the URL for the
MacWeb browser and all the extensions and control panels you'll need:

Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/macweb.hqx

It will work with Macs with 2 megs minimum.

Here's the URL for an instruction manual on how to do it:

Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/compactmac.hqx

For TONS of shareware for older Macs, go to:

http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/classic.html

and for my shareware page, go to:

http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/Shareware.html

Enjoy!

JAG
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html

Having just checked again with Apple, Mac software up to 7.0.1 tune-up
can be distributed, on a personal basis, 'freely'. This may not apply to
Apple II software. MacOS upgrades may also be distributed free, but you
must pay for 7.1, 7.5, 7.5.3(?), 7.6 etc. If you are distributing a
commercial product them you must(?) have Apple's permission to do so,
but if someone asks me for a copy of, say, system 6.0.7 and printer
drivers then it's not a problem to pass it on and charge for the media
and a coping fee. There are a large number of ftp sites, Apple and
Non-Apple that carry the stuff, so if you can't get it, some-else can do
it for you. When the CD-ROM burner finally arrives, I hope to put
together a complete historic collection of Mac system software, 1.0 to
7.0.1 but don't ask me yet. For old Mac systems order Develop Magazine#6
and CD from Apple, it had a big collection of old system software on it.

Paul B Jones
member Apple Associates Program, Aust.
Tech Support, Mac Ware Intl.

You are in Australia; I am in the U.S. If you read the License
Agreements on the Apple U.S. FTP sites, what I originally posted about
having to be a "licensed" copier of System software applies. There MAY be
different, separate agreements about the licensing of Apple System software
in other countries, but here you *must* have a license from Apple to copy
System software for someone else. The reason for this is that it is
copyrighted by Apple. This applies to all Mac, Apple II, Apple III, Lisa
and other System software made by Apple regardless of the year it was made.
THE ONLY exceptions to this are the System Software locations on Apple's
own FTP sites that individuals are free to download from. I already
excluded these in my original message. If this licensing rule did not
exist, the individuals and user groups who are paying licensing fees to
Apple on a yearly basis certainly would not have to do so.

Your post is encouraging others to duplicate at will for others what is
copyrighted, and this defeats the entire purpose of the licensing
agreement. In essence, you are making the same mistake as I originally did
in thinking it was OK to copy Apple II System disks for others. It is not.

--bj

Well, I *finally* got my Mac II up on the 'Net and was looking for a
recommendation about what browser to use.

I'm currently flipping between an old copy of MacWeb and Mosaic 2.01.
Since this is a 68020 machine, I was wondering if any version of Netscape
will run on it? Any other recommendations?

Thanks... john

for it. So, I chose to install 7.0.1.

Unsupported. Earliest system software for use on an LCIII is 7.1.

It turns out that the LCIII seems to be "addicted" to 7.5. Even reformatting
the hard drive, removing the battery, etc. have failed to convince it that
"you need newer system software for this Mac", even with System 7.1 disks.

Strangely, the machine won't start up with *any* floppy, not even a Norton 3.1
emergency disk, which handles a Power Mac quite beautifully. Won't start up, I
say, except... with the Sys 7.1 "Disk Tools" disk. Not the Install disk, but
Disk Tools. Very perplexing.

Probably wants system enabler 003, probably on your DT disk. Copy it
into the system folder on the disks (but not onto 7.0.1 disks, which will
likely never work), and all should be well.

Peace,

Edmund A. Hintz
Web page: http://www.hintz.org

Hi Classic Macs,

The minimum system requirements for LC III are 7.1 and System
enabler 003, it may be that the 7.1 install set is specifically for another
Mac model and is unable to install the correct enabler onto the LC III.
Once 7.5 came along the use of system enablers was discontinued leading to
a general sigh of relief from those of us that had multiple Mac models
running 7.1.

Be seeing you.
PA-S.

Peter Anderson-Stewart

No suggestions really, just wanted to tell that my MacWorld overvue of Mac
models says that the LCIII came with system 7.1

Good luck
Tina

Hello fellow classic mac lovers:

I have a Mac SE running System 7.0, with 4 megs of RAM, and I want to be
able to run Telnet on it so I can check my email. Anyone know how I would
go about doing this? My university's tech support doesn't have a clue
about older Macs. Thanks, cindy.

Cynthia Jane Yep

First off, let me recommend that you use System 6.0.8. It's quite a bit
faster than System 7 on a Plus. You can download this from Apple's FTP
site. Downside: there are no usable Web browsers for System 6. (Upside:
you can use lynx on a UN?X host, which is faster and more stable and
doesn't futz with graphics at all.)

Second, terminal emulation is easy: get ZTerm. It's very compatible and
fast. (Check your favorite Info-Mac mirror.)

Third, PPP works quite well on a Plus, assuming you have enough RAM to
actually use programs. 4MB is maximum and just enough. You'll need
MacTCP 2.0.6 (can be swiped off a System 7.5 installer, no problem) and
MacPPP 2.0.1 (from Info-Mac).

NCSA Telnet works fine, but the Mac lacks a control key and the
program's workaround (command for control) doesn't appear to work. Fetch
3.0.3 works extremely well, as does Eudora 1.3.1 and an old version of
NewsWatcher.

It's not an ideal setup, but it works solidly for me.

On the evening of Wednesday, May 7, 1997, James Lewis Dering allegedly
wrote:

Hi! I'll be honest, I've not sifted through the archives on this one, so
if this has been answered a dozen times before, and if there's any one who
happens to know which issue of the digest I should go to, I'd really
appreciate a pointer.

With no further ado, my question is: I'm about to acquire a Mac Plus, and
I was unsure of its capabilities. Can I connect it to the net? I'm not
expecting too much, but I was hoping for at least a terminal connection,
and hopefully using ConfigPPP or FreePPP to get a ppp connection going,
and then maybe I could use NCSA Telnet and/or something like MacWeb.
Is any of this possible? As I have not seen it yet, and, admittedly,
don't know much about one, I don't even know if it'll connect to a modem.

Well, that's it. Thanks in advance!

James Dering

Amitai Schlair

Hello fellow Mac fans.

I am having trouble trying to revive a Mac SE for a friend. When you
switch power on, you do not hear the startup ding, the picture
immediately has the sad mac icon with the error code 0000000E over
00002000. The machine seems to access both the hard drive and the floppy,
but will not boot from either. Any ideas?

Archer

hi,

Thanks very much for joining me to your classic mac club. I received the
reply right after I sent it. I heard about you in the Launceston Macintosh
Users Group Newsletter (LaMUG) in Tasmania! I also read in the LaMUG
Newsletter of how someone amazingly hooked up their Zip Drive to their Mac
Plus and surfed the Internet. That's where I got really interested in
buying one.

I subscibed cause I bought a Mac Plus a while ago from IC Technology that
they used for spare parts. They managed to put it back together for me for
a bit more than $50, bargain! It's great except for the main problem is
that it hasn't got a hard drive so I have to put the startup disk back in
all the time and has only got 1mb of RAM standard. It came with system
6.07 that I will upgrade to system 7.01 if I can get a hard drive and RAM
from you. I can run a few small games on it including Kid Pix but I can't
run simple text or teachtext as they need system 7 or later.

from a Mac lover
rodneys

Does anybody know where (or IF) you can get Lynx to work on a Mac?
Preferably a classic Mac. It's a text only browser that Laura Lemay
mentions often in her book "Learn HTML in 14 Days" (by the way an EXCELLENT
book! {Sams Publishin I beleive}). I d/l a copy of it, but there was no
application in the folder, only a bunch of Unix gobbledy-gook.

She has screen shots of it in her book, so I know it'll run on a Mac, but I
don't know how to set up my copy of it. Help

JAG
Http://www.eden.com/~arena/jagshouse/jagshouseone.html

Here's another source to get 800K disks from (and this is the best price
I've seen so far):

Alltech Electronics Co.
2618 Temple Heights
Oceanside, CA 92056
(619) 724-2404

On the very latest price list I have from them (they sell refurbished and
new Mac and Apple II items) they have 50 800K DSDD disks for $9.50 (not
including shipping).

--bj

I am in the process of Installing a new 365MB Hard disk in my SE/30
using Silverlining and my question is this. What Interleave should I use?
Silverlining tells me my Computer is a MacII and that I should use an
interleave of 1 yet I have heard elsewhere that I need to use 3. Just a
little confused and needing some advice.

Trent