Table of Contents for this issue:
New Low End Mac User - update
II C Pluses and Imagewriter I's?
Re: Ethernet and Accelerated IIsi
Where to find the elusive Mac TV?
ID on card?
Apple //gs basic text software...
//gs and Mac hooked up reply...
Classic Mac Shareware Games--Archive or No?
IIfx and External SCSI?
Booting a Plus from a Zip?
Re: SE/30 and Sony 13" Monitor
Re: Mac Plus with a Dark Screen
Re: Mac Classic II Shrinking Screen
Re: Mac Plus Screen Saver and Extra Hard Drives
Re: Apple IIgs Questions
IIgs Software
Word Icons
Re: Apple IIgs and Macs - Network
Thanks for //gs Info
Mac Plus Video and RAM Disks?
Help with Snipped R8 and R9 on SE Logic Board!
SIMM Stacker for IIci?
Re: Highest Version of Mac OS on a IIcx
What You Need for a Net-Ready SE/30

Since my last post (June 2), I have expanded the New Low End Mac User
with full coverage of all Pre-PPC Macs from 128K to Quadras and
PowerBooks.

I am now collecting tips and upgrade stories to share on this site.

Stop by for a visit -- I look forward to hearing from you.

Daniel Knight,
webmeister, The New Low End Mac User
http://www.iserv.net/~dknight/leu/

I have 3, II C Pluses, that I am not giving away or selling. I have two
Imagewriter I's that I cannot mate to those II C Pluses. Is it possible
that the two are incompatible? Does any one know all the Baud and
Handshake stuff for the Imagewriter I. I have no manuals for these. The II
C Pluses work beautifully with the ImageWriter II, but not the I*. *Yes, I
have the right cable, because I just bought another one and they still
aren't compatible. By screwing with the Baud Stuff, I can get the
Imagewriter to jerk and print an 8th of a page of garbage without a line
feed. The II C Pluses are different from the II C's in that they have the
800K drive and a 4X Accelerator. I was going to place them in homes of
children, but my wife snatched one, my daughter man-handled one to her
room, and I am keeping the keyless powered key one for my self. They are
perfectly compatible with a Mac, and allow the user to use FREEDWriter, a
free wordprocessor, to do all of their homework reports on the IICPLUS and
then save it on a 3.5 and suck it into a Mac Wordprocessor. Only a fool
gives away his Apple II and buys a Mac. The brainy one buys the Mac and
Keeps the II, as well.

Dale
tanet.net/~dhill

You probably have your answer by now, but in case you don't. I had to
remove everything from my IIsi to plug in the ethernet card, because it
plugged directly into the main slot. That means I gave up my FPU and
24-bit display card. No way around it.

I know money is tight, but it would really be worth her while if you got
an ethernet capable powermac for school. The IIsi is a GREAT machine,
but with the technology she will be encountering, she will find it very
slow.

There are excellent deals available on the first line of Powermacs used,
because with brand new ones available for 1000.00 dollars, they can't
ask as much as they like for the used ones. You can use your existing
monitor and save bucks!

What do you do with a IIsi with no monitor? Well I put an ethernet card
into mine and plugged it into a T1 line and its been our web server and
e-mail server for the last year and a half.

http://www.web-brothers.com/gallery.html

Eric the web wandering wonderer

My daughter has a IIsi with a Presto 80/40 accellerator
installed.

Any way of using both the accelerator and ethernet on a
IIsi?

newhouse

I'm looking for a second Mac TV (Yes, The Black Macs). I'm running short
on places to hunt. Does anyone here know about a dusty old Mac TV laying
around?

Nick

Received donation of two cards. I _think_ they might be video cards. If
anybody knows what they are let me know.

Here's the poop:

Blue Nubus-style card labeled Lapis Technologies
Sticker on card says IIsi DPD
Big square chip on card says XILINX XC3020-70 PC84C
Smaller chip sticker reads: LTI ver SE30 60590 DPD
Cable plugged-into a clip labeled ECL-1, ends in a 9-pin female

Anybody seen one of these? Worth anything to anyone?

Thanks-
Julie Walstra
The Day School
Chicago, IL

In reply to:

I've tried the Apple Support ftp site where there was a sub-directory named
"Apple", but was refused entry. A Yahoo search in "Software" using the key
word "Apple" also yielded no such source.

All the major Apple FTP sites will allow you entry to the Apple II
subdirectory, unless they are currently working on those subdirectories.
I have successfully downloaded the //gs System Software 6.0.1 package
from this site, along with other utilities needed for the basic operation
of the //gs.

If you download 6.0.1 and install it either on a hard drive or use it
through Appleshare/Appletalk, there is a small program called "Teach"
that functions just like Simpletext for the Mac. This can be used for
very basic word processing. If you are more ambitious, you can FTP to
ftp.apple.asimov and download a //gs version of Word Perfect that resides
there. But you will need to make sure that you have at least 1 meg of
memory in the //gs for it to run (4 megs would be preferable) as it is a
large program.

--bj
Apple //-///-Macintosh user, supporter, and collector.

In reply to:

My situation is this: I know I've heard about folks putting Macs and IIgs
machines on the same AppleTalk network--does anyone on this list have
experience with this?

Yes, I do and it works just fine.

1) Is there a minimum system software version I'll need for the IIgs? I
believe I have 5.1 and 6.0 right now.

Both those will work, but for the best results with starting the //gs up
from a floppy that has Appleshare on it, use 6.0.1, available from
Apple's FTP sites.

2) Can I hook them up with a basic, bare bones LocalTalk setup (printer
port to printer port)?

That's how I have my //gs and Mac SE set up. I have a standard Mac
printer cable (like the kind used to hook up a Mac with an Imagewriter
II) hooked to both printer ports.

3) This is not completely related, but does anyone out there know of a
mailing list like this one, but for the Apple II?

A few years ago there was one, but it was only the emailed list form of
the comp.sys.apple2 usenet postings. The list has since been
discontinued.

I have all kinds of questions about whether the IIgs can do things like send/recieve e-mail,
get on the web (or at least create/display GIF files), etc. It would be
great if there was a list like this one for Apple II issues....

There is a mention on the comp.sys.apple2.FAQ (which is available on the
web as well as being posted once per month on the usenet group) of
someone working on TCP/IP for the //gs, but to my knowledge, that work is
not complete as yet. For basic emailing, etc., you have to have a basic
dial-up account (shell, not TCP/IP) and use an Apple II program like
Proterm to use the internet. I did this for quite a while and it still
works well--if you have this kind of account, which I no longer have.

One caveat for you if you decide to subscribe to the comp.sys.apple2
usenet group--go and get the FAQ off the web first (address is:
http://www.visi.com/~nathan/a2/faq), print all four parts of it out and
read it *thoroughly* before posting your questions. You will get
crucified on the group if you ask a question that is already answered in
the FAQ. If you do ask questions on the group after you've read the FAQ,
stick to the //gs end of things. Many people on this group hate
Macintosh and Apple Computer in general for discontinuing the ][ line,
specifically the //gs end of the line. You'd be very surprised how hard
a grudge is held after all these years.

Feel free to email me personally if you need more info on the use of the
//gs, and good luck!

--bj
Apple //-///-Macintosh user, supporter, and collector.

1. You know, I missed this Digest. Welcome back.

2. While rummaging through the remains of old software that a friend had
and I found a few interesting B&W Mac Shareware games:

Star'roids--Mac version of the old 8 bit Atari game of Asteroids

The Beast-- Sort of like Pac-Man with some variations

Mac Battleship--Electronic Battleship for the Mac.

As far as I know, I may have the only remaining copies of these ancient
games. I would like to hear ideas for archiving them.

3. I may take a shot at trying to help the spanish speaking Mac user. El
idoma usa los mismo palabras para los arias de technolajia. (My spanish
writing is a bit rough but I think I can be of help.)

****
Manuel Mejia, Jr.
Tampa, FLA., USA

Greeting all!

Been using PC's for about 15 years and I got a new job that required me to
also maintain about a dozen macs. What did I do? Promptly ran out and
dumped $300 into an old IIfx and started learning!

First of all, I'm glad that I used pc's first because if I had a mac to
begin with I would have never bothered with pc's! This IIfx is a cool
machine! 20megs ram 1gig hard drive. 14" color video.

Anyway, enough of my conversion story, on to the problem. I want to hook
up a zip drive. It doesn't appear to be working. I read something
somewhere about a special terminator for external devices on the IIfx. Can
someone clarify? Also, are there any upgrade paths for the IIfx like a
powerpc type upgrade that exists for the IIci?

TIA,
Bill

Hi Folks!

I've been trying, unsuccessfully, to boot my Mac Plus from an Iomega Zip
drive. The Zip drive is significantly more quiet than the ancient "zero
footprint" CMS drive now attached to the Plus. I know that there are some
flaky quirks with the SCSI implementation in the Plus, but there's gotta be
a way to make this work.

I got some feedback via Usenet that possibly using an old version of the
Zip Tools program to format the Zip disk would solve the problem. The
oldest version I could find was 4.2, and that doesn't seem to help. Neither
Iomega's web site nor their BBS have been any help, and I really don't want
to spend $15 just to sit on the phone for a half-hour waiting for someone
to tell me they can't help me either.

So, does anyone have any suggestions? Has anyone been able to accomplish
this feat? Funny thing is, I can boot all of my other Macs from the Zip
drive (SE/30. Centris 650, PB100, PB5300), and the Zip disk can be mounted
on the Plus after booting from another drive.

Yours, gratefully,
Charlie Schorner

I have an SE/30, 17m RAM, 40m HD, and a Sony 13" multi-scan monitor that I
would like to get up and running and would appreciate any help I could get
to make it so.

Thanks in advance.
JR Latimer

JR (et al),

I've attached an Apple 13" monitor to my SE/30, and it works very nicely. I
bought a board called the "SE/30 8-bit video card" from a great source of
old Mac stuff, Nexcomp. You can peruse their stock at
http://www.nexcomp.com and place an order by phoning 888-GET-A-MAC. They're
asking $119 for the card.

Installation is a breeze, except for one detail. The board plugs into the
Nu-Bus-looking slot inside the SE/30. A DB-15F connector, attached to a
metal plate, mounts in the expansion hole on the chassis with the provided
nuts and bolts. A cable connects the DB-15 to the card. Pop the plastic
cover out of the back of the case to expose the newly installed connector.
Plug in your monitor and it just works!

The one problem is securing and grounding the card to the chassis. There
are two holes on the card which line up with two holes on the chassis. No
screws are provided with the card, and one of the chassis holes faces the
interior of the Mac. I found a screw that worked, and only installed the
one that I could access from the outside. To install the other requires
significant disassembly of the chassis, and I wasn't up for it. It could be
that you don't have to install either screw, but I'd rather be sure to get
a decent chassis ground connection.

There may be other or cheaper sources for the board, but I've had lots of
dealings with Nexcomp and have never been dissatisfied.

Good luck!
Charlie Schorner

Harold Appel asked about the dark screen on his Mac
Plus.

Harold, sometimes the simple things are the ones that get us down. Although
I risk sounding the fool here, did you turn the screen on? There is a dial
located just under the front of the screen which dims the screen (in place
of a screensaver one would suppose) on a scale from black to blinding
white. Sometimes it's not the simple things, though, and that's harder. I
hope this was the simple thing.

Harold Rhenisch

bremloe asked about the shrinking screen on his Classic II.

Bremloe, this might be the same problem that has plagued my Mac Plus since
it was a year old. In my case the screen flickered, shredded up on the
right hand side, and over time became smaller and smaller, with the
characters and graphics to the right squeezed down in ever-diminishing
size. I have had the Motherboard replaced twice. The last time I just had
it soldered back together. That worked very well. Interestingly, it broke
up mostly when loading programs and when operating MS Works 2.0. Hope this
helps,

Harold Rhenisch

"Jeremy John Winter" asked about screensavers for a Mac Plus with 4 megs of RAM and about hard drives for the same.

Jeremy, I have run my Plus for years with the screen saver Berkeley Systems
After Dark 2.0. It's not a giggle of fun, but you do get flying toasters
and tropical fish. I also have a beautiful little 40 meg hard drive (MacFly
from Adam Peripherals) that hooks into my SCSI port, and sports an
additional Hard Drive port. The SCSI port is a standard 25 pin port, while
the Hard Drive port is 19 pins. I have never tried to hook up an additional
Hard Drive through it, but it's pretty obvious it would work. The Plus has
an identical External Hard Drive port of its own. That makes 3. Not bad. No
more than 2 SCSI terminators per chain.

Harold Rhenisch

David Wood asked....

Can anyone point me toward a source for some basic
software for an Apple IIGS?

I've tried the Apple Support ftp site where there was a
sub-directory named "Apple", but was refused entry. A
Yahoo search in "Software" using the key word "Apple"
also yielded no such source.

You can get the system software for the Apple IIGS at the Apple ftp support
site, but it is wrapped in a mac archive format. It would be in six files
(800K disks).

This will be for someone who is handicapped and wishes to
use a II GS for letter writing. She will probably need
some sort of boot-up disk and a basic text processor. I
haven't seen the machine in question and I'm not familiar
with using Apples, but I'm told it has both the 3 1/2 and
the 5 1/4 inch disk drives.

If she does not have a hard drive on the machine, it might be easier to use the
old 8-bit PRODos operating system, for which there are excellent (commercial)
word processing programs available. Alternatively, you can make a small boot
disk with the GS OS on it, and use one of several simple desk-accessory text
editors that are available.

See below for a web site...

Geoff Kaiser asked....

I just picked up an Apple IIgs and some software, and I'm
looking forward to having a little fun with this old
distant Apple relative; very soon I will dig in and learn
how it works....

Congratulations! The IIGS is a great machine.

My situation is this: I know I've heard about folks
putting Macs and IIgs machines on the same AppleTalk
network--does anyone on this list have experience with
this? I'd like to hook my IIgs up on an AppleTalk network
with one or two of my Macs.

If anyone knows about this, these are my questions:

1) Is there a minimum system software version I'll need
for the IIgs? I believe I have 5.1 and 6.0 right now.

You should get system 6.0.1, which fixed a bunch of bugs in 6.0. It is
available at apple's ftp site, or you can get it for a small fee from some
vendors.

2) Can I hook them up with a basic, bare bones LocalTalk
setup (printer port to printer port)? Or will the IIgs do
that? I know you might be thinking "That way is too
slow!" but I don't need Ethernet speed here. I just want
to share basic files (AppleWorks, etc.) and maybe some
IIgs-generated graphic files/screenshots.

Yes, you can do it. In fact the "bare-bones" local-talk is the ONLY way
to do this. Apple never released the ethernet card they developed for the
Apple II :( You must install AppleTalk on your IIGS boot-up disk when
you do your system information.

3) This is not completely related, but does anyone out
there know of a mailing list like this one, but for the
Apple II? I have all kinds of questions about whether the
IIgs can do things like send/recieve e-mail, get on the
web (or at least create/display GIF files), etc. It would
be great if there was a list like this one for Apple II
issues....

If you have any kind of web browser, point it to:

http://www.syndicomm.com/a2web

where there are links to just about anywhere related to the Apple II
series of computers. Look for Nathan Mates' FAQs, which are incredibly
detailed, and will tell you almost everything you wanted to know about
Apple IIs.

| homas

dwood asked about software for the ii GS.

David, here's a place to start, such as it is:

http://www.cfn.cs.dal.ca/Services/PDA/appleII.html

There's not much there, but note the program for converting Apple iie Dos 3.3
programs. With that you can run pre prodos Apple iie software. If you
do a search <<apple ii gs>> you will get 20,000 hits. You can modify
your search from there. The software is out there. Lots of it. Don't
give up.

Best, Harold
(Harold Rhenisch)

After a recent system crash, I noticed that ALL my Word document's icons had changed from the *new* version 5 style to the *old* version 4 style.

One possibility is that you have both Word 4 and 5 on your HD. The crash
somehow trashed ver. 5 so all that's left is ver 4 and the icons conform to
that. I had similar occurances with Nisus and Solowriter (the older
Japanese version of Nisus). The icons would change depending on which
program was on the computer I was using.

george
http://home.fuse.net/gccrane/

For general information about Apple II's, here is a very useful web
site.

http://www.syndicomm.com/a2web/

It has links to FAQs and many other A2 related web sites.

Apple's own ftp sites have A2 system software and other software such as
HyperCard GS, available for free download.

ftp05.apple.com
ftp.info.apple.com

Another ftp site with a lot of A2-related software.

liquefy.isca.uiowa.edu:/8/ground/apple2

For question/answer in a manner similar to this list, you may want to try
USENet (although sometimes not as friendly).

comp.sys.apple2

Since this is Classic MAC, I'll leave it at that. Contact me by email if
you have any questions.

- Ken

To bjbear:

Hello,

Thanks for your resopnse.

David

David G. Wood (Dave & Babs)
http://w3.trib.com/~dwood/

I picked up a mac plus at an excess equipment sale. This is my first
experience with a classic mac, so I have two questions.

(1) The mac only worked for a couple days after purchase. It still seems
to read the system off of a floppy drive and start up okay (no hard
drive), but I cannot verify this since the screen stays completely black
except for the little square that the happy mac is in (it does start
with a smile). What happened and how can I fix it?

(2) I hadn't planned on using a hard drive with this mac -- I like the
fact that it is completely silent without a fan going. It will be used
as a phone/recipe server in our kitchen area, and may be used on "Smart
home" stuff as well. Can anyone provide me with some information
regarding the use of RAM disks and the highest system software I can use
with 800k floppies and the RAM disk? The machine is one of the older,
putty-colored pluses, but it does have 4 MB of RAM.

I appreciate any and all help. Thanks in advance!

Joyce Crosthwaite

Help!!!

I need to replace the resistors 8 & 9 on my SE logic board. I have the
resistors but need to know which goes where.
A beige one yellow/violet/black/gold = 47 ohms 5%
A brown one brown/red/red/gold = 1200 ohms 5%
If my specs are wrong let me know, but i believe i translated the stripes
correctly.

TIA
Will summarize to the List
Bruce J.
Loyally Mac

Does anyone have any experience with using simm stackers on a IIci? They
are the things that let you change 4 1Meg 30 pin simms to a 4Meg 30 pin
simm. (Or at least they do for the PC world.)

I've got 8 megs in my IIci and would like to up it to 20+, so a stacker
would be nice!

Patrick

i have 7.5.5 running on my IIci. officially, 7.5.5 is the last system
version that supports non-32-bit clean 68030 machines (e.g. IIcx and
SE/30 are not 32-bit clean, while IIci is 32-bit clean).

the mod32 extention that you had under system 7.1 will not work under
7.5. there is a 7.5 version (named mod32 v7.5, i think) and it is
available on both the apple and connectix sites (i got mine from
connectix). sorry i don't have the exact web addresses, but the connectix
site should be very easy to find.

hilal

From: Alex Dumitru
To: Classic Posts
Subject: Highest Version of Mac OS on a IIcx?
Date: 03 Jun 1997 20:43:21 GMT

Hi,

I was just wondering what the highest rev. of the OS people on this list
have been able to get running on a IIcx. Mine is running 7.5 right now, but
I've been trying to go the 7.5-7.5.3->7.5.5 route without much success...
Also when I went from 7.1 to 7.5 my Mode32 software started having problems
with virtual memory (ie. the machine refuses to boot under 7.5 with virtual
memory turned on.)

If it makes any difference, here's the specs on the system
IIcx, 8/1.2G (Segate 32000N)

thanks
alex

What programs do I need for setting up MacWeb=(Which Version)? I have 5
megs of ram on my SE-30?

I've used MacWeb and Navigator on my SE/30. If you're running system
software older than 7.5 you'll need to get ahold of MacTCP, ConfigPPP and
PPP from somewhere.

If you have system 7.5 or higher you have everything you need already.

T.J.