Table of Contents for this issue:
Re: Mac II and Color
Re: SE 30 Browser
Re: Hard Drives for the Mac Class
Re: SE 30 Browser
Re: SE 30 Browser
Re: 68010 Upgrade for Plus?
Re: Mac II and color
Need Some Cables
Hard Drives for the Mac Classic II
Color Classic Upgrade
Re: Hard Drives for the Mac Classic II
Re: 68010 Upgrade for Plus?
Re: SE 30 Browser
Re: Hard Drives for the Mac Classic II
Ressurecting Macintosh II
Re: Norton Utilities 1.1 and Mac

At 9:22 PM -0800 1/13/2001, Amber Rhea wrote:

any idea why my Mac IIx with the color card only displays grays?

Go to the Monitors control panel. You will see that the "Grays"
button is bulletted (instead of "Color").

If after shutting down your Mac and turning it back on reverts the
colors back to grays, then you probably need to replace its
batteries. The IIx uses two 1/2AA 3.6V Lithium batteries.

I hope this helps.

James Jung, Apple Product Demonstrator \\ "I think, therefore, iMac."

Vice President of Technology
GKNHS, Cal Poly Pomona | http://www.csupomona.edu/~goldenkey

Freelance Computing (...for hire) \\ Macintosh & PC Technical Support
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/3357

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,
to them who are the called according to His purpose." --Romans 8:28 (KJV)

At 9:22 PM -0800 1/13/2001, Robert Elliott wrote:

which internet browser would work best with my SE 30 running system 7.6

First, if you have plenty of memory, then try Netscape Navigator
4.08. Otherwise, try iCab, since it has a lower memory requirement.

and where would I obtain it?

You can get Navigator from Netscape's site. Here is a direct link
where you will find 4.08 at

http://home.netscape.com/download/1206100/10002-en-mac68k7.6.1---_qual.html

You can get iCab from Download.com. Just do a search, and you will find it.

I hope this helps.

James Jung, Apple Product Demonstrator \\ "I think, therefore, iMac."

Vice President of Technology
GKNHS, Cal Poly Pomona | http://www.csupomona.edu/~goldenkey

Freelance Computing (...for hire) \\ Macintosh & PC Technical Support
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/3357

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,
to them who are the called according to His purpose." --Romans 8:28 (KJV)

At 9:22 PM -0800 1/13/2001, Kelly Lassey wrote:

I just bought a Classic II

[snip]

I haven't been able to locate a vintage hard drive at all. Is it possible to
use any size SCSI drive? I mean, can I put a brand new drive in regardless
of size.

[snip]

can I put, say, a 9 GB SCSI drive in it?

A Classic II can run up to Mac OS 7.6.1. Since System 7.5 was
released, the maximum volume size is 4GB. Although System 7.5.2
increased the limit to 2TB, the Classic II cannot support that much.

Yes, you can put in a 9GB SCSI drive that has a 50-pin internal
connector and is backwards-compatible with the older SCSI bus.
However, you will just need to partition the 9GB drive into at least
three volumes--4GB, 4GB, and 1GB.

I hope this helps.

James Jung, Apple Product Demonstrator \\ "I think, therefore, iMac."

Vice President of Technology
GKNHS, Cal Poly Pomona | http://www.csupomona.edu/~goldenkey

Freelance Computing (...for hire) \\ Macintosh & PC Technical Support
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/3357

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,
to them who are the called according to His purpose." --Romans 8:28 (KJV)

never actually ran 7.6 on my SE/30 how much RAM have you? to be honest, i
have never tried anything over Netscape v1 or Mosaic which are pretty
obscure.

on other 86k Macs, iCab from icab.de has to be the winner for speed and
light footprint and you can set it to filter ads and images easy. also
can use just word only navigation.

but if you stick in CFM-68k Runtime extension you can run up to Netscape
4.08 stand alone browser which is highest spec.

i do not know if this applies to the SE/30

john

In response to Robert Elliott:

As a happy, inexperienced, and new SE 30 owner, which internet browser
would work best with my SE 30 running system 7.6 and where would I obtain
it?

If you would be so kind as to explain how you managed to get an SE/30
running 7.6, the rest of us 30 people would like to know. I use iCab
on my PPC because I don't want my 30 online, but it's a great browser
that doesn't take much memory. For the things that it can't do, try
Netscape 4.0.8. It will tell you it can't install, but if you hit
okay it will install anyway. You will need the runtime for 680x0s
from Apple's site, unless you really have 7.6 on that machine.

Sue Korlan
<http://www.pilgrimcross.org>

If the strong are unwilling to die for justice, the weak are certain
to die without it. Rick Acker

Here's a small snippet from the original article:

The 68010 is a 68000 with the addition of virtual machine and virtual
memory capabilities and a "loop mode" which acts like a 3 word instruction
cache.

A 68010 will plug into a 68000 socket and work in most systems. Three new
registers are added. The Vector Base Register (VBR) determines where in
memory the vector table is located which allows for multiple tables to implement the
virtual machine and memory functions. The Alternate Function Code Registers
(SFC and DFC) allow the Supervisor mode to access user data space or emulate CPU space
cycles. The instruction set is essentially the same for the 68000/08/10.
The 68010 supports modular programming...

Basically they just go on to say that such an upgrade could increase
performance as much as 30%, although I doubt such a dramatic increase would
be true. Naturally, I realize that many accelerators are available for the
Plus and other compact Macs, but my interest is not so much in accelerating
the computer as it is trying something a little bit different.

Nicholas Horne

If you place a color video card in, all Mac II for factors support color.

Soooo... any idea why my Mac IIx with the color card only displays grays?

Yeah, two ideas...

1. The "color card is not really a color card
2. your monitor is a grayscale monitor

Cody Gray
Vintage Mac Enthusiast

i just got a power book 140 works great but i need the cable for
printer and a network connection any help would be great

Richard Willis
President of Puterdudes Internet Service
43 Ralgreen cres.
Kitchener , Ontario , Canada
n2m 1v1

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:37:36 -0800
Subject: Hard Drives for the Mac Classic II
From: Kelly Lassey

I just bought a Classic II for nostalgic reasons. Everything appears to be
running well with the exception of the hard drive. It's only a 40mb drive
and I had planned on upgrading it as soon as possible. Unfortunately, I
haven't been able to locate a vintage hard drive at all. Is it possible to
use any size SCSI drive? I mean, can I put a brand new drive in regardless
of size. I had heard of Classic II's having as high as 120mb hard drives,
but finding one is nearly impossible without risking another auction buy

The problem with newer drives is that they use more advanced interfaces than
SCSI-2, i.e. wide, fast, wide-fast etc. This means figuring out which
expensive adapter you need, and the proper jumpering, etc to make it work.
There are zillions of cheap, used SCSI-2 drives under 500 megs available
that are drop-in replacements for your current drive, I suggest buying one
of those.

Well, come to think of it, sometimes I've had to oval the mounting holes
when installing a 1/3 height hard disk in place of a 1/2 height drive, but
the Classic II is new enough that they should have all come with 1/3 height
drives...

As to where to find one of these drives, for example, yesterday at my local
Goodwill I saw a stack of LC III's for $10 each. I looked inside, and they
had 160 meg drives. You could also stop by the house when I'm not home, I'm
sure my wife would be glad to give you all the hard disks you could carry!
Another source online that I have used and recommended is:

Timco Computers www.timco-computers.com
206-933-6090 voice
206-937-5058 fax

Timco Computers buys, sells and trades Mac and PC computers and parts.
Order online via our secure online order form.
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November 1, 2000 Price List Price in US $

PowerBook 2.5" 80MB SCSI HD/ Used 25.00
PowerBook 2.5" 160MB SCSI HD/ Used 50.00
PowerBook 2.5" 500MB IDE HD/ Used 75.00

(for some reason regular hard disks were not included on this pricelist, so
I just put the Powerbook drives and prices. Ordinary 3.5" desktop drives are
certain to cost less than these. Go to the web site for the latest prices.
Besides, it's a candy store for Classic Mac fans!

-Paul

HI all,

I want to put a LC 575 logic board in my Color Classic so that it will be
faster and be able to run OS 8. However, I Heard that if you want to use
any system later than 7.1 with the 575 board in the CC, you have to do a
screen modification. The only web pages I could find detailing how to do
this are in Japanese! Can anyone tell me what I need to do? THANKS!

**** Amber Rhea ****
http://www.tangerinecs.com

Dear Kelly,

You wrote:

I just bought a Classic II for nostalgic reasons.
Is it possible to use any size SCSI drive?
I had heard of Classic II's having as high as 120mb hard drives,
So can I put, say, a 9 GB SCSI drive in it?

Yes. (As long as you realize you would be best off using a third-party
disk formatter to partition the hard drive into smaller volumes ... which
subject has been discussed at length here on this list)

Your best bet would be to contact a used/refurbed Mac dealer.

I have installed larger HDs in a couple of my old Macs, and plan to
continue to do so until they are all equipped with reasonably large
drives. I bought one 450 MB drive for US$30, and a 1 GB drive for the
same amount via web sites/mail order at a couple of different used Mac
dealers, with no problems.

I suggest you check the back pages of Mac magazines for these dealers,
and check out a few online chat groups that specialize in Macs for more
info on used Mac dealers.

Hope this helps...

D V

Contrary to what someone posted earlier, the 68010 *is* faster in overall
general performance at a given clock speed than the 68000. Though not
dramatic, the performance increase is significant - about 15-20%. A few
specific operations show much more improvement. Virtual memory/virtual machine
functions, for example (which don't really apply to 68000 based personal
computers such as the Mac Plus and SE, as the previous poster pointed out,
though early 68K workstations like the Sun2 and minis do benefit).

Also, the 010 has a "loop mode" which uses a 3 word (6 byte) on-chip
instruction cache to speedup small software loops. Tiny 3 instruction loops
can run up to 50-80% faster according to the Motorola documentation included
in the Lha archive below. Keep in mind that typical OS and application program
code executes a general mix of CPU instructions, so such loops represent only
a small part of a typical program's code.

 Installing a 68010 in a Mac 512K/Plus/SE presents two problems. First, unlike
the Amiga (and ST?) the 68000 CPUs in these Macs are soldered directly to the
motherboard, not socketed. So much for the upgrade not being a major project!
If one is still determined, just desolder and remove the 68000 (all 64 pins!),
plug in a machine-tooled 64-pin DIP IC socket, and then resolder all 64 solder
joints. Fun!;) After all this work, you'll have a motherboard with a socket
into which you can plug anything intended to go in a 68000 socket. Whether
it'll work is another matter! Of course, with the SE it's a better idea to
simply plug an accelerator into the PDS slot. But for the older models, the
only reliable way to make them upgradable is by replacing the motherboard CPU
with a good quality IC socket.

Below are a couple of links to files which provide more information about the
68010 and installing it in an Amiga. The first is an lha archive (use StuffIt
Deluxe or MacLHA to decompress) which, in addition to the Amiga software,
includes a text file that discusses the 68010 (MC68010.ins). The second is a
review posted to the Aminet Amiga software archive. It relates the author's
experience installing a 68010 in his Amiga.

http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/MC68010.lha

http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/rview/Motorola68010.txt

Richard A. Carvel

On a good SE/30 you might be able to use Netscape 2.0.2 which is a good
browser if you turn off javascript. It's ok because it dislplays frames and
gifs and jpegs you can find it here:

http://home.netscape.com/download/archive/client_archive20x.html

You can install OPen Transport 1.1.1 and then OT 1.1.2 update ono top of
the system 7.1 if you need it. (but do you relly need it?)

Another thing funny with the SE/30 is to use a QUickcam and CU-Seeme 0.8.
This way, you become a real Low-tech master, with your friends picture
displayed in b&w...

good luck

I don't know if there is a hardware limitation about SCSI disks with the
classic II

But beware there is a software limit: system 7.1 can only handle disk under
1 gig, say a 500 meg is ok. you have to upgrade to system 7.5 (which is
free download) to handle 4 gig disks, and system 7.6.1 to go furter.

Dominique guardiola
www.inforoots.org
Marseilles Mac Users

A few months ago a friend of mine gave me an old Macintosh II computer. It
sat around for a while, not knowing whether or not it worked. The old
beast (huge thing it is) had a video card that was not adaptable with any
monitor I had, so I waited and scoured different places online hoping an
old 8 bit color Mac card would show up. I was lucky enough to buy not one,
but 2 of the things from LowEnd Mac for a few dollars.

After installing the card, I fired the Mac II up only to find that the
internal hard drive made weird noises and failed to boot up. However the
Mac II was working cause the ol' blinking question mark showed.... Luckily
I have all kinds of emergency floppy discs lying around with various
system softwares.... so I started the thing with a 6.08 Disk Tools floppy,
and lo and behold the ol thing started!

I later found my Norton Utilities floppy disc (old 2.0 version) and booted
the Mac II with that to see if I could repair the hard disc.... went
through a routine with Norton but it failed. Hard disc is toast I guess.

I have 3 44 MB Syquest drives sitting around, one with a really old
cartridge that has System 6.08 on it as the start up volume. Hooked the
thing to the Mac II and rebooted. Came up like a charm! Nice.... kind of
weird too, to see System 6.08 in color (the disc was previously used on
one of my old Mac Plusses)....

Tried another version of Norton on the Mac II to see if I could rescue the
internal hard drive... no luck.

With that I turned off the II, and removed the hard drive. The ol Quantum
must be toast... so anyway now I have a Mac II that can boot up with an
external Syquest drive. It's certainly not the fastest Mac in my
collection, but with System 6.08, it seems to be fairly fast in comparison
to my Mac SE or Plus (both of which I use once in a while)....

Anyway, the Mac II has 20 megs of RAM, however when I go to "About the
Finder" I see that 13 megs of it is used up by the System with some 5 megs
leftover to do stuff. I know these things are not 32 bit clean, but then I
am not using a 32 bit OS.... so how do you get an old Mac to make better
use of the RAM installed? The system folder is not very large and when I
boot the Plus up with the same cartridge it is only using about 500k for
system operations.

I know this has something to do with ram allocation but I cannot recall
what. I could probably set up another cartridge and boot up with System
7.01 or 7.1. I have Mode 32 which is supposed to address the RAM
problem/dirty ROMS thing. But how can this be done with System 6?

Finally anyone got an old internal 5 inch size SCSI hard drive sitting
around that works? Would be nice to install an internal drive back into
the old Mac II.

MEL

In a message dated 1/12/01 10:17:01 PM, mac_tech writes:

Call up Symantec Customer Service (800-441-7234). They can work
something out with you. If you talk to them long enough (and with
the right words), you can get them to send you Norton Utilities for
Macintosh Version 3.5.3 on a CD for the cost of shipping. NUM3.5.3
works on Mac OS 7.5.5.

I took this advice, Symantec was very nice, though very business like. They
had me on hold for ten minutes while they found out that I really have been a
registered user since 1992. At which point, they started treating me as
though I were an antique. Apparently it is rare for someone to stay with a
vendor for so long without an infuriating disaster. The bad news is that
they, like me, are not pack rats. They have no versions of Norton Utilities
going further back than what is compatible with 8.1 (which I used to own, but
threw away...). Norton was bought by Symantec since I started buying Norton
Utilities,

So I am back to square one. If someone on this list has a version of Norton
that is compatible with 7.5.5, perhaps version 3.5.3, on floppy disks, and
would like to donate copies to the Philadelphia Shakespeare Festival and
Chabad of Chester County, PA, I would be very happy if they would send it to
me. I imagine I could arrange a tax letter for you.

Michael B. Luskin