Table of Contents for this issue:
Classic II and SE/30
SE30 ext connection trbl
Dating old PCs & Macs
The Curious Case of the Whistling Performa
MacIntosh Plus ??
68010 Upgrade for Plus?
Source for SuperDrive
Re: stuffit?
Re: stuffit?
Re: MacIntosh Plus ??
Re: The Curious Case of the Whistling Performa
Re: SE/30 AGAIN
New to List
Stuffit question
512K Question
Re: Mac II and Color
Re: Macintosh SE...

Hello all,

Just acquired a Classic II and an SE/30 from a friend. Since I already had
one SE/30, I wanted to put some of its parts in the Classic II. So I
cracked them both open and did a HD and RAM transplant. What I'm wondering
is how to tell the capacity of the 8 SIMMs in the SE/30 so I can install
them properly in the C II and max out the RAM as much as possible...Each of
the SIMMs had eight small black chips on them and a couple had 9 black
chips. I'm trying to configure the CII with 8-10MB but I don't know if I
have any 8MB SIMMs in the SE/30... really the C II is running 7.5 with only
4MB and I need more RAM or to downgrade to 7.0.1. speaking of which... If I
can't manage to boost the RAM past 4MB, where can I find 7.0.1 on HD Disk
images?

Thanks,
Clinton Yelvington

Apple ///. Lisa. Newton. PowerBook 5300.
Power Macintosh G4.
"Flops before Gigaflops."

My SE30 lost all contact with the outside world. No printer or modem
connection possible.

I was told that the chip on the main board was probably bad and needed
replacement.

I just learned that there is a chance that a minor repair may cure the
problem without a chip replacement.

Can I fix it if it is a minor problem and if so how do I do it.

Chronologically, the Mac Plus probably dates from roughly around the same
era as the old PC-XT.

Functionally, it's probably most comparable to a Windows 3.0 system -
that is not to say it functions as poorly as Win 3.0, but they both had
their limitations that were mostly fixed by later releases of their
hardware and operating systems. And both are probably nowadays used only
by nostalgia buffs or people who can't afford anything newer.

That's just a very crude comparison, and one that other people here will
probably jump all over.

If you don't have a mouse to go with it, you won't find it useable even
with a boot disk. You should be able to pick up a mouse on eBay for $10 -$20.

Ira Adams

On 1/20/01 6:13 PM Classic Posts wrote:

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:17:33 -0800
From: lawrie mcrae
Subject: MacIntosh Plus ??

Hello there:

Just recently someone gave me the following PC:

Macintosh Plus (model #M0001A)
Keyboard
Image Writer printer

I know nothing re the Macintosh machine, it has a 3.5 floppy drive out
front, I haven't opened it up yet to see the internals. When I power it up
I get an Arrow (upper left screen), and a Floppy symbol in the middle of
the screen.

I am assuming it wants to boot off a floppy, unfortunately I received no
software/disks with the machine.

Can anyone out there brief me on what I have here? E.g. where does it live
in relation to the PC world, namely is it a XT,AT,286,386, or 486? Is there
a source for software on the net whereby I can download operating system(s)
and other software?

Many thanks for time!
L. McRae

From: Cliff Crouch
Subject: The Curious Case of the Whistling Performa

I have recently acquired a Performa 460, a/k/a Macintosh LC III or LC
III+, I believe.

That's a nice one, I don't have an LCIII+... yet.

This Performa seems to have a disconcerting (inconsistent) tendency
to emit a squealing or whistling noise during the start-up process.

Any idea what's causing this?

Yes. Is the sound coming from the speaker? Pop the top and listen, see if
that's the source. If so, the cause is most likely to be one or more
electrolytic capacitors. Those are the silvery domes soldered to the system
board. Try gently touching/pressing on some to see if it alters the whistle.
Electrolytic capacitors (particularly those dome shaped types) dry out with
age and heat, and stop doing their job, which is filtering. Look around the
base of them for evidence of leakeage. An oily sheen is the usual sign. They
can be replaced if you are handy with a soldering iron. The best ones are
tantalums, which are sealed.

If it is not coming from the speaker, listen to the powersupply. That is the
second possible source, and of course, easy to replace.

-Paul

Just recently someone gave me the following PC:

Macintosh Plus (model #M0001A)
Keyboard
Image Writer printer

I know nothing re the Macintosh machine, it has a 3.5 floppy drive out
front, I haven't opened it up yet to see the internals. When I power it up
I get an Arrow (upper left screen), and a Floppy symbol in the middle of
the screen.

I am assuming it wants to boot off a floppy, unfortunately I received no
software/disks with the machine.

Can anyone out there brief me on what I have here? E.g. where does it live
in relation to the PC world, namely is it a XT,AT,286,386, or 486?

I'd say it's comparable to a 386, with regard to capabilities. You can get
on the net, for example, though it's limited, just as a 386 would be.

Is there a source for software on the net whereby I can download operating system(s)
and other software?

Yes, but the problem is, you need another Mac to make disks for it. It is
not compatible with any PC floppy drive. A better choice would be to get a
hard disk for it (external SCSI) that is already loaded. You can run it from
a single floppy, but it is limited. Your best choice there would be to get
someone to mail you a boot disk with some useful programs on it. Once you
have some utilities and a com program, you can transfer files via null-modem
cable from a PC. It's that first part where you really need someone to send
you a disk. Do you have a friend with a Mac?

-Paul

Wake up audience!

If that IBM could execute a 32 word loop in "essentially zero time", does
that mean that it is fast enough to eventually finish an infinite loop?

(Wake up. That was a joke.)

Our current PowerPC processors can now execute THOUSANDS of instructions
without re-fetching the instructions, and the current PowerPC chips
feature "loop unrolling" meaning that branches take zero time. (This is
important as branches usually cause a pileline flush. Loop unrolling
erases all the penalties of a branch.)

Mike

Also, the 010 has a "loop mode" which uses a 3 word (6 byte) on-chip
instruction cache to speedup small software loops.

Is the audience asleep yet?

"Loop Mode" was implemented on the IBM System/360 Model 91 several decades
before Motorola "discovered" this feature on the 68010.

In IBM's loop mode, instructions within the loop, which could be as long as
32 words, could be executed repeatedly in essentially zero time.

[Moderator: Similar to the loop mode when one gets with the endless
flashing "?" on startup...he says as he keeps nodding off. :) ]

I recently (i.e. yesterday) bought a Mac SE/30 to bolster my current collection
of Classic Macs (2 Pluses and a PB100). The trouble is (and this will sound
familiar if you read the Compact Macs list) is when I insert a floppy, I get a
'Disk Unreadable' error. This happens about 5 out of six tries using both
HD and 800K disks. (I actually seem to have greater sucess with the 800Ks) I
inserted a HD disk with nothing important on it and said Yes when prompted to initialise.
The resulting disk now always works (with only one failed attempt). Once I
persuaded the SE/30 to mount an 800K disk, used the Get Info command (commad-I)
on the disk and got a normal reading of 799K or so on disk. Running Norton's
Floppier on the disk gave me 6856835K free -2139947008K used! Before I
bought it, this Mac apparently sat idle for some time and went on to suffer a one
meter drop onto a slate floor (the strap of my compact mac carry bag broke.) Is this
problems related to either of these disasters? I plan on cleaning out the drive
with compressed air to eliminate dust as a cause (the drive is fairly
dusty) but am unsure of how to do this. Do I just blow air into the insertion slot or
would this merely force the dust further in? How do I ensure I don;t damage the head?

What about lubricating the drive?

Unfortunately I can't simply get a SuperDrive off eBay as I live in Australia so
am looking for alternative sources for replacement. Anyone know of anywhere I can
get a replacement in Australia? I was told that Apple no longer stocks
SuperDrives but plan on calling just in case. Would a Mac Repair shop sell one
and how much can I expect to pay ( I have a feeling that it'll be expensive
compared to a PC unit). Unfortunately, I can't simply buy and gut a $10 Mac for
parts as it's nearly impossible in my experiences to get macs that cheap here.

I hope someone can help and thank you in advance.

Adam

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:48:29 -0800 Mike Friese writes:

Aladinn Systems Stuffit 5.5 is $9.99 after the $20 rebate this week
at the US chain CompUSA.

I could not find that deal. This is supposedly their specials:

http://www.compusa.com/adproducts/adproducts.asp?category_id=163

Stuffit 5.5 for the peecee is available for 29.99. I didn't see a rebate.
Where did you see this deal?

Mike 

We get the Sunday advertising delivered with the Saturday paper, in my
case the _Washington Post_. Since the price is good only from Sunday 1/21
through Saturday 1/27, it may not appear on the website until Sunday.
That seems to be the case.

Is it for PC's and not Macs? Uh-oh, my mistake. I thought Stuffit was a
program that existed in the Mac world only. I did not know it was for
PC's too. Still, you'd think that with 650 MB worth of volume on a
CD-ROM, Aladdin Systems could put Stuffit for Windows, Macs, OS/2 and
Linux on one CD.

I'll head over to Aladdin's website to see what they say. Thanks for the
information.

Yours, Blair

On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 20:48:29 -0800 Mike Friese writes:

Stuffit 5.5 for the peecee is available for 29.99. I didn't see a rebate.
Where did you see this deal?

Mike

You're right. Stuffit 5.5 is for the PC. Still it might help people move
files back and forth from Unix, Windows, and Mac machines. OS/2 users
still appear to be out of luck.

Here's the link to Aladdin Systems:
http://www.aladdinsys.com/products/stuffit/index.html

Yours, blair

on 1/20/01 7:13 PM, Classic Posts at wrote:

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:17:33 -0800
From: lawrie mcrae
Subject: MacIntosh Plus ??

Hello there:

Just recently someone gave me the following PC:

Macintosh Plus (model #M0001A)
Keyboard
Image Writer printer

I know nothing re the Macintosh machine, it has a 3.5 floppy drive out
front, I haven't opened it up yet to see the internals. When I power it up
I get an Arrow (upper left screen), and a Floppy symbol in the middle of
the screen.

I am assuming it wants to boot off a floppy, unfortunately I received no
software/disks with the machine.

Can anyone out there brief me on what I have here? E.g. where does it live
in relation to the PC world, namely is it a XT,AT,286,386, or 486? Is there
a source for software on the net whereby I can download operating system(s)
and other software?

Many thanks for time!
L. McRae

Wow, a piece of American History! I believe the Mac Plus will only boot
from a Floppy - as I recall, they had no hard drive, and this is a stretch
but I seem to remember that Mac OS Versions 1.1 - 7.5 was supported by the
Plus. You can find the specs on it at the Apple Web Site ... I decided to
look it up for my own edification. The URL is :

http://www.info.apple.com/info.apple.com/applespec/applespec.taf?RID=4

Enjoy!
David Thomas

Dear Cliff,

You wrote:

I have recently acquired a Performa 460, a/k/a Macintosh LC III or LC
III+, I believe. (This machine falls within the Classic Macs 68030
purview, yes?)

Yes

This Performa seems to have a disconcerting (inconsistent) tendency
to emit a squealing or whistling noise during the start-up process.

<snip>

the second I turn the machine on; it seems to begin after the startup
chime and Happy Mac face, about the time the INITs march across the

Any idea what's causing this? What disaster it portends? And/or, what
part I ought to replace? Surely this is a hardware rather than

With Thanks In Advance,
Cliff Crouch

Well, it definitely _sounds_ like a hardware problem. The only moving
part in a 460/LC III is the little fan. You could try removing the screw
in the back center of the cover, and lifting the cover from the back two
tabs on either side to reveal the innards. The machine will still work
with the cover off, so that you can turn it on and see/hear if the fan
is, indeed, the problem. (I suggest you replace the cover for long-term
use, however, as proper air circulation was designed for when the cover
is on.)

If it is the fan, you have the choice of replacing it, or applying a
judicial amount of a thin spray lubricant, such as WD-40, or something
similar.

You may want to investigate the removal of the fan unit itself for better
access. Unfortunately, I am not at my 450/460 right now to see exactly
how the fan is attached, but I am sure it's been modularized enough to
present few problems for removal.

If you do apply lube, try to get it into the bearings (which are probably
hard-to-reach behind the fan blade(s) for the front bearing, and behind a
cover (sometimes not) for the back bearings). This method worked for a
fan in my Plus's External hard drive -- I used a thin-spouted
sewing-machine-oil plastic capsule.

If you wish to replace it, I suggest getting as much info off the
attached information plate on the fan, and armed with this info (size,
volts, etc.) going to http://www.jameco.com/ to search for a replacement.

Good luck!
D V

"If a person gives up liberty for the sake of safety, that person
deserves neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin

Yes!

the "MacTCP" folder.

"System Folder items" folder or not. I only have the CD version.

Drag MacTCP to your System Folder, it will be placed here it belongs (if
using System 7.x and above).

MacTCP lets your Mac speak TCP/IP. Configure it to get it's address from the
server.

I hope this helps!
G.

AppleTalk-ing - http://www.mac512.com
Network all of your Macs together, the oldest to the newest PowerMac G4
Cube! We can show you how...

I have attempted to install Apple's Internet connection kit, a cutom install
which installs networking, which I assume installs Mac/TCP via 1.44 disks
three times. When I get to the point where in again asks for Disk 1, after
a 10 disk install, it says there was an error trying to complete the
installation and the install fails.

So plan B. Is there a way to install Mac/TCP or TCP/IP on the SE/30? Will
Mac/TCP allow me to connect to the internet through the Linksys router or do
I need TCP/IP?

I just joined this list yesterday, and was wondering how active the list is.

Barry

Now that I've put my foot in my mouth by blabbing about a rebate for a
version of Stuffit that works only on PC's, I have a question. Say I take
a data file on a PC and compress it with the PC version of Stuffit. I put
that compressed file on a diskette and move it to a Mac, where I unstuff
it, this time using, of course, a Mac version of Stuffit. Is the file now
in a form that makes sense to a Mac, or is in once again in a form that
makes sense to a PC?

Hello All

I have a 512k Mac that still works great, but the little guy is taking up
space that I need in the house. I've been wanting to keep it because I
heard a rumor that some of the early 512k's have signatures of; Jobs,
Wozniak, and of the original production line crew.

Is this true? Does anyone know the span of serial numbers of those 512's
that have been signed? I'm just afraid to open the thing up and
accidentally break something.

I'll be thankful for any help or insight.

Thanks
 Michael

Michael J. Spilotro Photography
922 South 16th Street
Arlington, Va. 22202
Website:http://www.michaelspilotro.com

In a message dated 1/20/01 8:16:29 PM, Amber Rhea writes:

This is the only video card in the computer. The monitors control panel
will let me choose up to 256 colors, but it still displays only gray. The
card says "High Resolution Display Video Card" and has the standard BD-15
connect. In the bottom left corner there is a number BH9011626. Model
number?

Amber

Don't know if will be any help? The video card pulled from my original Mac II
(before any upgrades) reads:

APPLE COMPUTER
INC © 1987
820-0198-A7
MACINTOSH II
VIDEO CARD

This is located just above the video port on the card.

That Mac II had no problems with 256 color depth at 640 x 480 resolution on
the old style Apple Hi-Res Monitors.

And I remember using this card without problems when I upgraded the II with a
Ilx motherboard. Good luck solving your Mac II color problem.

--glen

At 6:13 PM -0600 1/20/2001, David Goodrich wrote:

anybody know of a site offhand that has diagrams for turning a
macintosh se into an aquarium?

Although I have not tried it, the following web site seems to be most
comprehensive on this:

http://members.home.com/jlower/aquaria/aquarium.html

I hope this helps.

James Jung, Apple Product Demonstrator \\ "I think, therefore, iMac."

Vice President of Technology
GKNHS, Cal Poly Pomona | http://www.csupomona.edu/~goldenkey

Freelance Computing (...for hire) \\ Macintosh & PC Technical Support
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to them who are the called according to His purpose." --Romans 8:28 (KJV)